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So tired of living in Sweden!
Tired of the country
24.Oct.2019, 10:04 PM
You wanted to live among them they didn't move to you!!!
Most marketing about sweden does not mention the reality of finding rentals in sweden, what life is like if you work with them. Or how people ignore you if you even say hi. Nobody will know that swedes live in their bubbles. Atomized society.
I agree with your statement, we cannot change them, but you have to admit most of the marketing about sweden we see abroad is misleading and that makes people like me make the wrong move.
People who never been to sweden have no idea about the real rental market. The queues, the second hand rentals, the scams. How government stalls any attempt to fix the rental market because after all the lack of rentals is a business model to destroy as much foreign competition as possible. They don't know how close minded swedish companies are to hire foreigners unless you belong to the "cool" and "accepted" group swedes like because that enhances their image. People who never visited sweden don't know about the lack of eye contact and people try to ignore each other to the extreme. How women are open and look at you only when they are drunk or if you fit with the blond blue eye pattern.
People abroad only hear that sweden is the most progressive country on earth when the reality is, it's all a farce.
It's ok if they want their country for themselves and be a pure place where only swedish is allowed to be spoken at work but please tell them to stop lying because this country is a farce.
24.Oct.2019, 10:17 PM
The problem is people think some other place is better than what they have and want to get a better life...So they go elsewhere and then find they do not like their decision and cannot cope with their new life, so they blame the native population for their misjudgement of what life is away from their home, they never blame themselves for not adjusting and fitting in!!!
When you "screw up" you play the "CYA" game and blame others!!!
24.Oct.2019, 11:30 PM
The problem is people think some other place is better than what they have and want to get a better life...So they go elsewhere and then find they do not like their decision a ... (show full quote)
Wait a second, Gamla, there is something to the post that you are completely discarding and denying what he says.
He is a foreigner, all right. But many people with foreign origin stayed in the country for far longer and say the same things, even when they are well integrated into the society, have stable situation with job, accomodation, etc.
Swedes themselves often cite the same things, move abroad and choose to live elsewhere. They are themselves open-minded and "criticise" what they consider to be negative, backwards and retrograde in terms of development - social, physical, mental and spiritual. No one came to the country with the notion of hatred of swedes or scandinavians, quite the opposite, actually. It is a grave mistake to believe that people here do not have in them a constructive criticism with the aim to improve things, make life better not just for themselves, but for all people in the country. I personally have zero interest or will to change swedes into something that they are not, against their nature, that would be totally absurd, this is not about that at all.
Zlatan Ibrahimovic is born Swede, made country known (again) in his own way, etc.
He cited some of the same things (sadly), to my great surprise when I have read the lengthy interview with him at expressen.se. He mentioned the word "sect"; the poster before you mentions the word "cult". The content of all interview with him, and details from his career and what he was forced to put up with just sadly resemble what some of the people in this thread have repeatedly mentioned.
You cannot just summarily blame someone, or anyone who has been brushed summarily aside (which is sadly the case) the same way none of us can say with the hand on her/his heart that all swedes are the same, because they are not, people are individuals and should be taken and treated by individuals, not as groups
If this principal was followed and adopted in reality, and if there was ever a serious departure from this collectivistic approach or doctrine, or fear - call it whatever you want, we would never have to discuss things like this, or at least not half of it.
There were some statistics about the working labour - situation of people vs. their origin - across the EU - cited in this thread. You cannot deny those, since those are the cold facts.
25.Oct.2019, 12:31 AM
People not liking Sweden be they "Swedish" are not would be better off moving to a place better suited to their ideas...
Complaining about things you do not like will not change anything, Sweden was created for Swedes by Swedes, it's just the way it is and there is no such thing as "creative" criticism of a culture you do not agree with!!!
Being Swedish or any other nationality does not come from just being born in a country...
25.Oct.2019, 12:52 AM
People not liking Sweden be they "Swedish" are not would be better off moving to a place better suited to their ideas...Complaining about things you do not like will ... (show full quote)
That post alone, in its entirety, qualifies you, as backwards, retrograde, bigoted in the worst possible way, against any change or progress, which is debilitating for any country, any person, any normal or sane being, be he swedish or foreign or whatever. It is just an appalling display of what is sadly known as "jantelagen".
It is not "complaining", it is citing the things as they are in reality, in real life, not in your preconceived backwards thesis about the long gone "folkhemmet", it does not exist any longer. Thing progress and change.
Who are you or any of us to deny reality ?
It is not "creative" criticism, you are misquoting and being utterly ignorant time after time, the word used was "constructive", put it in your narrow mind once and for all, and open the ears and eyes when you attempt to communicate with other people .
It is not a "culture" anyone here disagrees with, it is all the negative, backwards, stale and rotten, and ultimately wrong that people disagree with and protest against, with all due right !
What are you going to do, forbid them to do that and send them across the border, or try here to all eternity to shut them up? What on earth is your problem? Have you completely lost it or what ?
there is no such thing as "creative" criticism of a culture you do not agree with!!!
Who decides that ? You ? Some authority, comission, perhaps swedish constitution, which is a democracy ?
Are you familiar with swedish constitution (grundlagar och statsskick) to begin with ? Just in order to see and realise on what collision course with all of it you are when you spit out such outright nonsense and obnoxiousness ?
Sweden was created by swedes ? Well, knowing the history of the big cities, many of the capital buildings in them were built by Scotts and Dutch, would you believe it (check the facts).
Bernadotte is french surname, and that is the origin of the swedish royal family, who came originally from France, as far as I remember.
To turn the tables in your, well rehearsed fashion, let me give you some of your own medicine:
People not liking this thread are better off packing their keyboard and moving out of here. What are you doing here? How does that feel ?
Or how about this:
People not liking Sweden be they "Swedish" or not would be better off moving to a place better suited to their ideas...
You mean, in the fashion of handing in out to the jews and others who happened to be in "disagreement" in Germany during the Hitlers rise to the power and years in power there ?
You would advise even to swedes, native ones, who do not conform to your views to leave the country ?
Man, you declare yourself, per definition, and openly, as a hard core something, you can fill in the dots...
25.Oct.2019, 12:57 AM
Being Swedish or any other nationality does not come from just being born in a country...
No, it actually does come from having a citizenship and being born in a country. So get over your delusions.
You are ill educated, ignorant, and pushing your agenda(s) as truths, when in reality you spit out technically completely incorrect things that are not even a subject for any debate or discussion.
The moment you achieve your wishes - your goal - the society of a certain (darker) colour (reminiscent of poop)
is the moment you have lost, big time. Your tragedy is that you are not realizing that and that you have learnt nothing from history.
25.Oct.2019, 02:07 AM
You are funny!!!
So you think it is alright for a person to criticize the cultural habits of millions of people because he does not agree with them and then calls it constructive???
Especially since he left behind his cultural habits when he decided to live amongst the Swedish peoples or any other people for that matter...
A person that compares another culture using standards that he himself abandoned is truly comedic ...
Making popcorn now and laughing!!!
Keep it coming!!!
look up the words, adjusting, assimilating and "when in Rome, etc"...You do know what I mean, maybe not, it does not matter...
25.Oct.2019, 03:31 AM
"Especially since he left behind his cultural habits"
Haha, people don't leave behind their cultural habits. Only someone with a grade 4 education could get stuck in such an ill-equipped, grossly ignorant, mentality.
You would know that Gamla, if you had ever lived somewhere else, and/or had stayed in school.
But you go girl, you kindly provide the typical ignorance you Muricuhns are well-known for.
The horse turd does not fall far from the Trump.
25.Oct.2019, 03:57 AM
You are funny!!!So you think it is alright for a person to criticize the cultural habits of millions of people because he does not agree with them and then calls i ... (show full quote)
One of the problems people of your (primitive and moronic) mentality have is the need to "assimilate" those who you consider to be "others".
I am very well familiar with the word "assimilate" and would have never used it on anyone in my own home country, and that is where the difference of my essence and your essence is - you are intolerant bigot, single- and narrow minded, primitive and backwards, ill-educated, with narrow views. Integrate - yes, but to assimilate the grown up person and deprive him of his own cultural background and habit is to cause the damage to that human being and deny his own values and culture.
And while we are at it, actually, one thing I like less then even you in Sweden is the "tolerance" ("flathet") of obnoxious, despicable and disgusting and violent behaviour exerted publicly, not seldom by the people of foreign origin, but born in Sweden, or newly arrived immigrants, often due to the fear of being called racist, or due to the sheer lack of civil courage and lack of determination to set things right and show that some stuff is never to be tolerated in one normal and civilised society. To me, that is one of the big problem your country has today. You do not mention that sort of failure to integrate those people, or get the message through to them what is ok, and what is not ok and never ever acceptable, but find instead the everlasting need to spit on us here, because we want to make things better? That, instead, is unacceptable to you? Great job !
The examples of how some elderly people of your mentality, and sadly of your origin, use the notion of "when in Rome" have been shown in documentaries on Swedish national TV, where they in front of camera call the native people (Portuguese and Spaniards) in those countries, where they spent their own retirement days - for "apes". This is well known and documented.
So do not preach to me about adapting to the country where I reside, I did that from the day one, you moron.
If you were ever following your own guidelines in regard to the place you reside in (you are not in Sweden, right ?) you would have never ever, in the first place, even thought about writing such stupidities not even worth the mental level of the child in the third year of elementary school.
Of course it is alright to "criticise" anyones cultural habits, that's called open discussion and there has never been anything wrong with it, any sane person does that regarding the negative habits in his own country, so why should there be any prohibition on doing so anywhere else ? I would be first to point out wrong things in my country of origin, and say to you that you were right if things you pointed out there, or somewhere else were indeed wrong.
Such way of thinking belongs to the free, normal intellectual mind, but that notion seems to be completely beyond you.
I can give you a little of "your own medicine" back, since you often want to see yourselves as a moral superpower, readily giving advice to the rest of the world, while sadly not keeping internally to the same high moral standards:
Remember recent visit of the Canadian professor and psychologist Jordan Peterson to Sweden ?
Former swedish foreign minister has greeted him with a certain welcome phrase upon his visit.
So from me to you, in her own words, and with a slight touch of "karma":
"You should crawl back beneath the stone you crept up from".
25.Oct.2019, 09:20 AM
Sweden is primarily an export driven market, which means, they have to think internationally, gear its policies towards making their goods and product competitive in the international market, some of these world renowned Swedish multi-national companies are no longer Swedish but have their head office in the EU, despite what some people are trying to force down our throats, i see different, i have worked for all these big organizations and believe they dare not practice tribal politics, it has no place in modern society, the world is such a competitive place, there are new emerging markets world wide ready to dip into your market share, new players and what not, Sony Ericsson and Nokia learnt the hard way a couple years ago, if you do not hire the right competence in R&D, you will have to compete with other countries that do just so, i worked at Sony Ericsson for a few years and it was a shame how that brand went down the drain, Iphone came out of nowhere, in the middle of the economic recession and sent them to their early graves!
There is so much i know and understand about this environment, believe me or not, companies are changing, the government is listening, they do not have a choice or they will have to deal with a country of mad men and women left unemployed due to recession or not been able to shift their goods in the wider market
Look around Stockholm, the demographics are changing, there are 100s of start up companies propping up everywhere hiring the best talent worldwide, Spotify are in New York, you cannot survive the current trends with a 1950s mentality!
Everyone , just go out there, study the market, check Linkedin, i noticed a trend by just some simple research, there are jobs out there but you need to know how to place yourself, just applying randomly no longer cuts it, this is not the UK, widen your search criteria, even be prepared to work remote in Europe and return to Sweden on weekends, i know loads of people that do just this including Swedes, it is no longer ok to just complain or you will get depressed!
25.Oct.2019, 09:31 AM
QUOTE (Stumc1981 @ 16.Sep.2019, 06:15 PM) I agree, I forgot to add that on a recent trip to Uddevala (I have long time swedish friends there) I found the people much ... (show full quote)
Learn the language.
Why should he?
To be instantly recognised as a second rate citizen and be put in his place from the likes of such as you?
That is the single stupidest piece of advice I have ever heard.
If one wants to succeed here, the recipe is:
Graduate abroad; get some working experience abroad (anglo-saxon sphere or even Russia).
Come here on a contract for a high sallary and at a good working place.
Foreigners that are well brought off here ( a good number of them) never ever bothered to learn the language or even if they did to use it, so do your own math.
QUOTE (Stumc1981 @ 16.Sep.2019, 07:53 PM) No point, I doubt it would make people more interesting, I know a fair bit of Swedish already plus I don't intend to spe ... (show full quote)
You are arrogant.
Yes you are better somewhere else.
You are ignorant and shallow.
You are better off nowhere else, stay where you belong. No one needs nor desires occurrences like you.
25.Oct.2019, 03:34 PM
This Liberal lunatic is waking up this place!!!
Actually he agrees with me but has a problem with ambiguity, I am hoping that he will find his way to be lucid in the future...It's nice to have a kindred soul to converse with...
Happy days are here again...Comedy rules
25.Oct.2019, 05:02 PM
"Happy days are here again...Comedy rules laugh.gif"
TL forum's resident clown has spoken!
And you should be so lucky to have someone actually read your ill-informed non-sense, and then also bother to waist their time trying to explain to you what a Muppet you truly are.
But you know Gamla, one of the traits/consequences of being a mental retard such as yourself, is that your condition prevents you from understanding, that you are indeed retarded.
Hence your continuous "broken-record", scattered, illogical, ramblings-of-a-tired-lonely-old-man-who-craves-attention-from anonymous-internet-people-to-fill-the-social-gap", use of many words, to say absolutely nothing.
25.Oct.2019, 05:44 PM
"Happy days are here again...Comedy rules laugh.gif"But you know Gamla, one of the traits/consequences of being a mental retard such as yourself, is that your condit ... (show full quote)
Well, he probably has never bothered to search for "Dunning-Kruger" effect, but on the other hand, it would have been a waste of time on his behalf even if he had bothered to read about it or watch the video(s)... for all reasons (you have) mentioned...
25.Oct.2019, 05:51 PM
WOW!!!. This Liberal lunatic is waking up this place!!!
Well, sorry to dissappoint you, I happen not to be a liberal, but then again, it seems that everyone not agreeing with your - well known across this board - ?tarded views on life, weapons, immigrants, foreigners, sweden, life in general is labeled in your world as the "liberal".
Actually he agrees with me but has a problem with ambiguity,
Yes, I am very ambiguous in one matter: the use of two words come to mind in a certain context: one word has to do with ?tard and the other has to do with the outright imbecill . I really cannot decide between the two.
Then again, the context itself is hardly worth mentioning, which makes that certain ambiguousness really not worth wasting any significant time.
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