(edit title) English riots 2011 General Discussion Options

[Garry Jones]

Copy of letter sent to aktuellt@svt.se tonight:

Dear Sirs!

I want to know why Swedish State television omitted a vital piece of information in tonight's news item about the Tottenham riots.

Aktuellt Sunday 7th August:

(See http://svtplay.se/t/102534/aktuellt Time: 9:07 - 11:00)

In this news report you give the impression that police violence was used when a man with four-children was shot dead by the police on Thursday.

A large number of English news outlets have reported since Thursday that the man took the first shot at a policeman and that his bullet got stuck in the policeman's radio.

Why was no mention of this made? Are you misleading the Swedish public on purpose?

I found your report biased and slanderous against the British police.

I would like an explanation as to why you did not mention the claim that the man shot first when you reported this news story.

Yours Sincerely

Garry Jones
Mora

[Jasoncarter]

Apart from the fact that it's now being reported that the bullet lodged in the police radio was actually a police bullet.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/blog/2011/aug...ice-duggan-live

Not that SVT knew this at the time, of course.

[Jamtjim]

In this news report you give the impression that police violence was used when a man with four-children was shot dead by the police on Thursday.

But surely the police did use violence! Shooting someone is a violent regardless of the legitimacy of the action.

[Garry Jones]

Hmmm, the plot thickens... However the police still say that a non-police issue gun was used (the UK news tells us that this was owned by the guy that is now dead). Could a police issue bullet have been used by that gun? Just because its a police bullet it does not mean the police fired it.

I still maintain there is an element of bias in the Swedish news report. I found it to be in vast contrast to the news I have been watching on BBC and SKY over the weekend.

And if this is shooting someone who has just shot a policeman then the tone of "police violence" in the Swedish report is overstating the "police violence" as self-defence is last resort and can not be labelled "Police violence" in the way that the Swedish news implied. Click on the link, see for yourselves (if u understand Swedish).

[jack sprat]

Sounds like a typical Saturday night in Malmo.
The guy was a known criminal carrying a firearm and being tracked as part of a special operation.
Apparently false rumours had been put out that he was assasinated with several close range head shots.
His family have seen the body and confirmed that this was not the case and also said they did not condone last nights events.
What was meant to be a peaceful protest was upstaged by the hoodie rent a mob in order to do some serious looting.
They even attempted a copycat performance in Enfield tonight with the aid of Twitter,Facebook and the Guardian, desperate to arrange itself some serious reporting, though they must have been disappointed as it virtually fizzled straight out.
Strange that B on B turf warfare shootings and knifings are a fairly usual occurance in that area yet don't lead to similar incidents or major publicity, indeed they don't generally affect the rest of the very mixed background community who mostly get on well together and carry on everyday life as normal...and yes I do know the area and some of it's inhabitants quite well.

[TomasBrolin]

The guy was a drug dealer and was carrying a gun. That's as much information as I need. One less of them to worry about.

[Garry Jones]

> "The guy was a drug dealer and was carrying a gun. That's as much information as I need"

A: How do you know this information is true?

B: Do you find it strange that not even an inkling of this made by Swedish State TV when it is widely claimed in England.

PS) - I don't mean that SVT needs to jump to conclusions but they could have enlightening the Swedish public as to possible reasons for this man being shot. They used the phrase "police violence" as fact three times with no mention of "drug-dealing", "shot man possibly armed" or "policeman hit in radio".

PPS) News should be balanced and fair. I find vast contasts in the way this story is being reported in the UK and Sweden.

[Rick Methven]

News should be balanced and fair. I find vast contasts in the way this story is being reported in the UK and Sweden.

And I am angry that my neighbours cat being run over never made it into the British press

[Streja]

Garry, the only reports I have seen on svt have been really short and to the point. I don't see any misleading comments at all.

[foxpur]

There are some stories that are "held" till the station feels they have all the relevant details. Sometimes that gets the story skipped. Another reason is the story is in edit and fails to make to news on time. It's often as process delay.

[Garry Jones]

Streja - check the link, do you not find it strange that no mention of "why" this man may have been shot was made? Do you not even get an inkling av anti-UK authority in the news item? Check some of the links on BBC and SKY and compare.

This would be like the UK reporting that Palme was gunned down after Sweden sold arms to warring nations with no other facts mentioned. It is easy to mislead a nation.

[Streja]

I don't see what you see and the comparison is weak.

[Garry Jones]

Ok granted - bad comparison. However the fact that you refuse to see that your own country is brainwashing you proves what a jolly good job they have done. Swedes not in the know could believe there was some justification for the riots. In fact the news report was not unlike the true reports coming out of Syria snd Lybia where rebels are rightfully rising up to overthrow governments who are murdering their own citizens. SVT gave the impression that such a justifiable cause for rioting exists in Tottenham.

The more I think of this the more outraged I become. Swedish state TV is guilty of an internatonal scandal. As they have not replied to me I will take this matter up with our embassy. Justice for British Police!

[Streja]

There was no justification for the riots and they even had a short interview with one of the residents.

Garry, I follow the UK news just as much as SVT so don't call me brainwashed. If there is one thing I won't tolerate it is being branded something I am not.

Between you and me I am the only one of us who has studied journalism for example.

[Garry Jones]

But you wrote you did not see what I see! Another user - living in London - writes the now dead man was an armed drug dealer. You may see through this but millions of gullable Swedes wont. it should concern you that your state owned TV is misinforming an entire nation. Misinformation was a product of Nazi Germany. It angers me that my licence fee is funding this slur on my country's righteous brave police force.

Now Hackney is going up in flames I hope for some nore correct reporting.