(edit title) Now living in Sweden Having a hard time with the bureaucracy Options

[flobalob]

Just recieved this BS from skattervekett... http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w315/Or...rd/IMG_3816.jpg They apparently just changed the rules. Being an EU citizen makes no difference whatsoever now.

Sweden sucks

PS, I get the drift but if someone who speaks good swedish can translate I would be very gratefull.

[Bender B Rodriquez]

The document your supplied is exactly the rules that apply to EU citizens.

If you have a company you have to supply proof according to the first yellow mark you made. It can be questioned if you really need to supply all five.

If you don't have a company (or you haven't started your business yet) you are a free mover and have to supply proof of a private health insurance according to the second yellow mark. This is in accordance to EU rules.

The third yellow mark says that you have to show your marriage certificate in person. A copy signed by two other persons should also be OK, but emailed copys are not valid proof.

Here is the important part: If you are a EU citizen and are married to a EU/Swedish citizen, you should NOT apply as a business owner. You should apply as a family member and then you would not have to supply all the above information.

[flobalob]

The document your supplied is exactly the rules that apply to EU citizens.If you have a company you have to supply proof according to the first yellow mark you made. It can be ... (show full quote)

The document your supplied is exactly the rules that apply to EU citizens.

If you have a company you have to supply proof according to the first yellow mark you made. It can be questioned if you really need to supply all five. ... (hide full quote)

I was told that I could not apply until I was actually living in Sweden. They did not tell me that I would need to supply any documentation, and as a result I burned all my mountain of business paperwork before I left Canada. I am an EU citizen.
I called the woman who sent the letter, and she told me that I have to have a years medical insurance for both my wife and myself and further more it needs to be brought with me from Canada, I can not get it in Sweden. This would mean a trip back to Canada to get medical check ups and buy the insurance. My son who also moved here from Canada about 18 mths ago with his Canadian wife did not have to do any of this. They have apparently only just started enforcing these rules.

I do have a small company ,(is this a crime in Sweden ?) so I told them. Why should I have to lie?

Both my wife and myself are EU citizens so what difference should it make if we are legally married or not ?

I am pissed off !

Thanks for the translation

[Bender B Rodriquez]

I called the woman who sent the letter, and she told me that I have to have a years medical insurance for both my wife and myself and further more it needs to be brought with ... (show full quote)

I called the woman who sent the letter, and she told me that I have to have a years medical insurance for both my wife and myself and further more it needs to be brought with me from Canada, I can not get it in Sweden. ... (hide full quote)

That does not sound correct. It should be OK to just get an insurance from Sweden as long as it has full cover. Case workers are often wrong so I would look into this.

My son who also moved here from Canada about 18 mths ago with his Canadian wife did not have to do any of this. They have apparently only just started enforcing these rules.

Is he employed or self employed? It makes a big difference.

Both my wife and myself are EU citizens so what difference should it make if we are legally married or not ?

It only matters if one of you are already resident.

You can find the rules on http://migrationsverket.se

[flobalob]

That does not sound correct. It should be OK to just get an insurance from Sweden as long as it has full cover. Case workers are often wrong so I would look into this.

I will look into it, but why I should have to is beyond me. I have lived in three other EU countries in the past and have never been told that I had to have this insurance anywhere else.

Is he employed or self employed? It makes a big difference.

He is employed.

It only matters if one of you are already resident.

I don't understand what you mean.

[Bender B Rodriquez]

I don't understand what you mean.

Here are the specific rules that apply to you: http://www.migrationsverket.se/info/147_en.html

If you do not go the business route, this is what applies instead: http://www.migrationsverket.se/info/199_en.html

If you spouse had residence you would on the other hand apply according to these rules: http://www.migrationsverket.se/info/194_en.html

It might also be better to contact Migrationsverket instead of Skatteverket since they normally handle this. Once Migrationsverket has given you your residence certificate Skatteverket should not ask for anything else.

[flobalob]

Thanks for the links. I need to clear my head for a while after trying to make sense of it.

A quick summary of what I can see, is that in Sweden being meddlesome is not just a job, it's more of a holy mission..

[gplusa]

And, naturally, you're going to be the one to change all that. Way to stay your time here. It is what it is.

[flobalob]

Nah, I know a lost cause when I see it. I will probably just fly away and leave Sweden to the Localers and the Swedes.

[gplusa]

That's where I'm putting my money as well. We've all watched you rip Sweden to bits from afar. Now, you've been here 5 minutes and that's still the only thing we hear from you. Which begs the questions as to why the hell you have come here. I understand that you have family living here now, but to arrive with such a chip on your shoulder is only going to make you even more miserable than the posts over the months have portrayed. You clearly hate everything about the country, and nothing in your posts suggests that you're open to changing your belief..

You're also not offering anything new in your posts. It would seem like you are the only person in the world who has ever experienced such things. I would say that every person who has arrived into any new country, determined to hate everything about it, has lasted a few months at best. And felt completely miserable during that time. Do youself, and the rest of us a huge favour: Accept that things here are not, and will never be, the same as in Canada (I think that's where you came from ?). If you can't do that, and can't live with the differences, then take youself back there as soon as possible. Because it's just not going to work for you.

The first 6 months I was in Sweden, I was planning my escape on a daily basis. The next 6 months, it was once a week. It took me 18 months before I finally accepted that I was never going to change a system that 9 million other people liked. And I needed to be comfortable with that decision. It was never the country that needed to change, it was me. Until you can figure that one out, it's going to be a very lonely existance for you.

Sweden will always be something of a struggle for me. Because it's not my original country. But, by not allowing the negatives to grow larger than they truely need to be, I've been able to enjoy more positives than I've had in my life. Benefits and lifestyle value I would have missed out on if I had allowed the negative aspects to rule. Food for thought.

[flobalob]

You clearly hate everything about the country, and nothing in your posts suggests that you're open to changing your belief.

I do not hate everything, I like the different wildlfe here. But everything else about the place has so far turned out to be worse ( far worse) than expected.

You're also not offering anything new in your posts. [/quote It would seem like you are the only person in the world who has ever experienced such things. I would say that ... (show full quote)

You're also not offering anything new in your posts. [/quote It would seem like you are the only person in the world who has ever experienced such things. I would say that every person who has arrived into any new country, determined to hate everything about it, has lasted a few months at best. And felt completely miserable during that time. Do youself, and the rest of us a huge favour: Accept that things here are not, and will never be, the same as in Canada (I think that's where you came from ?). If you can't do that, and can't live with the differences, then take youself back there as soon as possible. Because it's just not going to work for you. ... (hide full quote)

I'm sorry that there is nothing new in my posts, but if that is the case it shows that there must have been others with the same views about Sweden as myself.

Benefits and lifestyle value I would have missed out on if I had allowed the negative aspects to rule. Food for thought.

I'm trying as hard as I can to think what benefits and lifestyle you would have missed out on by not coming here. (I'm assuming you did not arrive here from Ireland or portugal.)

[flobalob]

PS, I would have been very happy if my earlier fears had proven unfounded, but what concernes me now more than anything is that if it is so difficult to sort out even the most mundane things then what chance do we have in sorting out the less mundane. I have only started to sort out the official paperwork needed to live here and have already run into major road blocks, I have yet to even start on the permits I will need to be able to earn a living.

Unlike myself my son came here and sucessfully registered a business, ( they authorities have since moved the goal posts ) It turned out that registering the business was the easy part for him. He was unable to proceed with the business due to not being able to get his product ( soap ) officially approved. He is now working for a company that makes circuit boards.

It looks almost as if this country hates anyone who is independent and enterprising, communist Russia comes to mind.

[flobalob]

Here are the specific rules that apply to you: http://www.migrationsverket.se/info/147_en.html

Self-employed person
If you are self-employed, you must show the Migration Board that you have an enterprise in Sweden. The enterprise must not have started or given results, but you need to show that you are planning and preparing for this. If you already have an enterprise, you need to show that it is currently active.

To show this, you can send:

• F-tax certificate
•Registration certificate for the company
•A marketing plan for the company
•A lease agreement for premises necessary for the company´s operations
•Proof of previous experience and expertise within the field in question
•Invoices from the company
•Receipts/invoices for materials purchased
•VAT accounts
•Transfer documents if you have purchased an already established business.

The Migration Board will contact you if other documentation is needed.

It might also be better to contact Migrationsverket instead of Skatteverket since they normally handle this. Once Migrationsverket has given you your residence certificate Ska ... (show full quote)

It might also be better to contact Migrationsverket instead of Skatteverket since they normally handle this. Once Migrationsverket has given you your residence certificate Skatteverket should not ask for anything else. ... (hide full quote)

So how is it that Skatterverket have involved themselves with this at all ?

[Rick Methven]

They did not tell me that I would need to supply any documentation, and as a result I burned all my mountain of business paperwork before I left

That was the dumbest thing to do. Now you have no proof of anything. How about a clearance from the Canadian tax authorities that you do not owe tax in Canada?

[flobalob]

With hindsight you are dead right.

I actually tried to apply for a persons number etc last November but was informed that I could not apply until I was resident here. It never occured to me that they would be interested in my Canadian tax affairs, as Canadian taxes have nothing to do with Sweden. I owe no taxes in Canada, and I guess I could get proof but whether that would satisfy the Bolsheviks is anyones guess.