(edit title) Work Permit to Sambo Visa Sambo & Citizenship Options

[goldentime]

Hi guys,

I had 2 years work permit and got my extension for another 2 years. As I plan to move in and live with my sambo, I plan to apply for a sambo residence permit as it's more flexible and I will start to count to my PUT or citizenship as settlement with sambo visa.

My questions are:
1. Will I have work permit and sambo residence permit at the same time if I successfully get the residence permit?
2. What's the best way to submit the application and get the sambo residence permit? Reading through the forum, it sounds like application from within Sweden would take forever
3. According to Migrationsverket website:

"If you have been married to, living in a registered partnership with or cohabiting with a Swedish citizen for at least the past two years, you may apply for Swedish citizenship after spending three years in Sweden."

Does this mean, I probably don't need to apply for sambo visa and with the condition of 4 years work permit and 2 years sambo I'll be able to apply for citizenship directly?

Many thanks in advance!

[friendonlyyours]

1- No, one permit will be canceld and actually in current rush situation you will probably get your sambo permit after finishing your current work permit even you apply before as it happened to many people including me I waited for it 13 months.

2- There is no best way to apply sambo permit you have only one option, within Sweden you can't apply online and on paper base application waiting time is 12 months. So collect all papers and forms and drop application to MV office.

3- According to MV your one status time will count, so if you get sambo permit your job time which is I guess 2 year right now will not count anywhere in citizenship rather you can choose which time you want to count while applying citizenship. Definitely with sambo permit you will get citizenship faster than work permit same for PUT.

May be you will get less first temporary sambo permit which is usually 2 years as compensation, but I am not sure as I never heard any case before like this but I myself is example of it so will let you know when I will get decision.

Keep in touch...!

[axiom]

My questions are:
1. Will I have work permit and sambo residence permit at the same time if I successfully get the residence permit?

No you can only have one permit, so you have to choose. A sambo permit is also a work permit so why would you need both?

2. What's the best way to submit the application and get the sambo residence permit? Reading through the forum, it sounds like application from within Sweden would take forever

You may submit from outside of Sweden and get a quicker response but how would you do that when you live in Sweden, you have a permit a personnummer, address and apt, etc If you want to submit and application from outside of Sweden then you have to first leave Sweden and then do so.

3. According to Migrationsverket website:

"If you have been married to, living in a registered partnership with or cohabiting with a Swedish citizen for at least the past two years, you may apply for Swedish citizenship after spending three years in Sweden."

Does this mean, I probably don't need to apply for sambo visa and with the condition of 4 years work permit and 2 years sambo I'll be able to apply for citizenship directly?

No, it is tied to your permit not just simply being married, etc. Since you can't become a citizen without a PUT.

[goldentime]

1- No, one permit will be canceld and actually in current rush situation you will probably get your sambo permit after finishing your current work permit even you apply before ... (show full quote)

1- No, one permit will be canceld and actually in current rush situation you will probably get your sambo permit after finishing your current work permit even you apply before as it happened to many people including me I waited for it 13 months.

2- There is no best way to apply sambo permit you have only one option, within Sweden you can't apply online and on paper base application waiting time is 12 months. So collect all papers and forms and drop application to MV office.

3- According to MV your one status time will count, so if you get sambo permit your job time which is I guess 2 year right now will not count anywhere in citizenship rather you can choose which time you want to count while applying citizenship. Definitely with sambo permit you will get citizenship faster than work permit same for PUT.

May be you will get less first temporary sambo permit which is usually 2 years as compensation, but I am not sure as I never heard any case before like this but I myself is example of it so will let you know when I will get decision.

Keep in touch...! ... (hide full quote)

Well, I'll get PUT after two years if I ensure I work to minimum requirement for the next two years. Given that sambo permit will not be granted within 1 year, or potentially 2 years, maybe sambo permit might not add value and contribute to PUT?

I thought you can apply on line no matter you're in or outside of Sweden? I did my work permit extension on line. Have you guys seen specific instruction om MV website?

Also, if I don't apply for sambo permit, is there anywhere else I should register the sambo status so MV can look at my sambo status in the future and grant PUT or citizenship? I know that citizenship is based on PUT, isn't it when you get PUT, you only have to live with sambo one more year to get citizenship?

[goldentime]

Oh, I just realized the on line application doesn't allow you to apply for sambo permit when you're in Sweden already.

[axiom]

Well, I'll get PUT after two years if I ensure I work to minimum requirement for the next two years. Given that sambo permit will not be granted within 1 year, or potentia ... (show full quote)

Well, I'll get PUT after two years if I ensure I work to minimum requirement for the next two years. Given that sambo permit will not be granted within 1 year, or potentially 2 years, maybe sambo permit might not add value and contribute to PUT?

I thought you can apply on line no matter you're in or outside of Sweden? I did my work permit extension on line. Have you guys seen specific instruction om MV website?

Also, if I don't apply for sambo permit, is there anywhere else I should register the sambo status so MV can look at my sambo status in the future and grant PUT or citizenship? I know that citizenship is based on PUT, isn't it when you get PUT, you only have to live with sambo one more year to get citizenship? ... (hide full quote)

If you get your PUT from your work permit then you need to live with your Sambo three years after getting a PUT, since you cannot count time on a WP towards citizenship. So if you continue as is, then you could become a citizen in 5years.

Now here's the trick when you submit an application for a sambo permit, you can count the time from you submit the application towards citizenship. So if you submit it now you can start counting three years from today and become a citizen in 3years. If you live together and have done so for a few months and can prove your relationship apply for the sambo visa, I would.

[goldentime]

Guys, just not to make unnecessary mistakes, does anyone of you know the exact paper application process?

Here is a brief summary of what I read:
1. Fill out the no. 161011 form ( move to someone in Sweden)
2. Attach documents to prove your sambo or sambo to be
3. Submit the paper application to a MV unit, e.g. Göterbog, Norrköping, Solna etc, preferably to choose a smaller MV unit where less applications are received, e.g. Borås, Kiruna etc.
4. Pay the fee at the MV unit?
5. How do you know if the officer will enter your application to MV system? Can you request faster entry?
6. Sambo/Sambo to be will be contacted by MV to fill the questionnaire
7. All info collected for MV to arrange an interview with both parties of sambo
8. Interview date
9. Decision

Am I correct? Any insights will be very much appreciated!

[axiom]

Here is a brief summary of what I read:
1. Fill out the no. 161011 form ( move to someone in Sweden)

Yes and from no. 239011 (Family Appendix)

2. Attach documents to prove your sambo or sambo to be

Yep

3. Submit the paper application to a MV unit, e.g. Göterbog, Norrköping, Solna etc, preferably to choose a smaller MV unit where less applications are received, e.g. Borås, Kiruna etc.

Why not just the closest, would you want to travel to Kiruna for an Interview?

4. Pay the fee at the MV unit?

No, online, Internet Bank and submit the receipt with the application, make sure you pay it a day or so before you submit the application so it arrives in their account when they check.

5. How do you know if the officer will enter your application to MV system? Can you request faster entry?

You will get a letter confirming that they have entered your application.

6. Sambo/Sambo to be will be contacted by MV to fill the questionnaire

No, likely an Interview but who knows, this is up to the case officer.

7. All info collected for MV to arrange an interview with both parties of sambo
8. Interview date
9. Decision

Yep, you get the decision at the interview, well at least I did.

[goldentime]

If you get your PUT from your work permit then you need to live with your Sambo three years after getting a PUT, since you cannot count time on a WP towards citizenship. So if ... (show full quote)

If you get your PUT from your work permit then you need to live with your Sambo three years after getting a PUT, since you cannot count time on a WP towards citizenship. So if you continue as is, then you could become a citizen in 5years.

Now here's the trick when you submit an application for a sambo permit, you can count the time from you submit the application towards citizenship. So if you submit it now you can start counting three years from today and become a citizen in 3years. If you live together and have done so for a few months and can prove your relationship apply for the sambo visa, I would. ... (hide full quote)

Thanks a lot Axiom for the reply! '

Is it official that you can start counting 3 years from the date you submit the sambo application, or it should be the date your sambo permit is approved?
Assuming the sambo permit is approved in the future, I believe PUT will count based on sambo permit application date as well?

To make my case even more complicated, I met my sambo to be not long ago and we decided to buy an apartment together and live together, in the meanwhile, I probably will only work part time for my current employment as I will go back to school for a master degree for the coming two years ( well, if I don't work to a minimum amount required, I won't be negligible for PUT in 2 years ). That's why we decided we want to apply for sambo permit instead, that way, I will have the freedom to balance work and study, and most importantly we can live together for the future without worrying about my legal status.

What would be the most convincing documents to prove the relationship? So basically we are not sambo yet but we're on the way to get a mortgage together and buy an apartment.

Thanks a lot!

[axiom]

Yes, this is official you count from the day they receive your application, not the day it was approved. But this is only true if you submitted the application from inside Sweden.

http://www.migrationsverket.se/info/499_en.html

...the duration of stay is calculated from the date on which you submitted your application for a residence permit...

If you have a few photos of being together, went on holidays maybe, met each others family and actually own the apartment together and living there then you have absolutely nothing to worry about.

When my sambo and I did this we had only signed the contract for our apt, it hadn't even been built!

[goldentime]

Here is a brief summary of what I read:1. Fill out the no. 161011 form ( move to someone in Sweden)Yes and from no. 239011 (Family Appendix)2. Attach documents to prove your s ... (show full quote)

Here is a brief summary of what I read:
1. Fill out the no. 161011 form ( move to someone in Sweden)

Yes and from no. 239011 (Family Appendix)

2. Attach documents to prove your sambo or sambo to be

Yep

3. Submit the paper application to a MV unit, e.g. Göterbog, Norrköping, Solna etc, preferably to choose a smaller MV unit where less applications are received, e.g. Borås, Kiruna etc.

Why not just the closest, would you want to travel to Kiruna for an Interview?

4. Pay the fee at the MV unit?

No, online, Internet Bank and submit the receipt with the application, make sure you pay it a day or so before you submit the application so it arrives in their account when they check.

5. How do you know if the officer will enter your application to MV system? Can you request faster entry?

You will get a letter confirming that they have entered your application.

6. Sambo/Sambo to be will be contacted by MV to fill the questionnaire

No, likely an Interview but who knows, this is up to the case officer.

7. All info collected for MV to arrange an interview with both parties of sambo
8. Interview date
9. Decision

Yep, you get the decision at the interview, well at least I did. ... (hide full quote)

Thanks for your insight again.

Few more points:
1. Should I mark my relationship status as single on form no. 161011 if I intend to live with someone
2. Won't the chances be higher to get a faster processing time if application is submitted to a lesser busy MV unit. Traveling for an interview within Sweden is really acceptable, say, if the waiting time is significantly different. That being said, the waiting time probably isn't a issue for me as my current work permit is valid for another 2 years.
3. By the way, it sounds really stupid, but I can't find the page where I can pay the fee without applying on line..er, awkward.

[goldentime]

Yes, this is official you count from the day they receive your application, not the day it was approved. But this is only true if you submitted the application from inside Swe ... (show full quote)

Yes, this is official you count from the day they receive your application, not the day it was approved. But this is only true if you submitted the application from inside Sweden.

http://www.migrationsverket.se/info/499_en.html

...the duration of stay is calculated from the date on which you submitted your application for a residence permit...

If you have a few photos of being together, went on holidays maybe, met each others family and actually own the apartment together and living there then you have absolutely nothing to worry about.

When my sambo and I did this we had only signed the contract for our apt, it hadn't even been built! ... (hide full quote)

Thanks for the MV link, I think that's a really positive policy! Like it.

Were you invited for an interview? I believe it might be safer for us to apply when we actually have signed an apartment purchase contract or moved in together?

[axiom]

Or at least be living together at the time of the interview, I'd recommend.

I did mine in Solna since it was just a few mins walk there and it went pretty quickly I thought.

I dropped it by hand, this was a few months before my old permit expired but I understood they wouldn't look at it until the existing one had expired. Had the interview 2months after my old permit expired, got the decision during the interview.

Good luck, I am fairly sure you will be fine.

[goldentime]

Thanks a lot!

How to prove you live together? Report from Skattverket? Or apartment contract?

Well, we live in different cities right now and are planning to move to Stockholm together. I believe I should submit the paper application in my city. Just saying, I hope it won't take 2 years until my current work permit expires..maybe queue in a smaller city would be shorter? Will they send the case to Norrköping or other places btw?

[friendonlyyours]

Axiom is giving you directions very well,

But rule of thumb to prove sambo is living together for that register yourself and sambo on same address even you both don't own apartment it does not matter. Skatteverket record must show same address for both of you that is actually your living together time started.

Owning a apartment can help but it is not required, with sambo visa you can do work as much you want it will give you little freedom and if you sambo is also working that is also good as MV's biggest concern is also how you both will survive after a real relation.