(edit title) Churchill - Jews Partially Responsible For Holocaust Options

[Torontonian]

Israel is not stopping Jews' problems. In fact, they may be worse for the existence of Israel. How hypocritical of you to favor the creation of your own country, but you refuse to live in it. Instead, you choose the security of Toronto.

Is France a theocracy? Sweden? As I have said before, I favor the free movement of labor, not the protection of national borders and discrimination against whoever and whatever.

Btw, I have not called for dismantling Israel, but may have called for not creating at the time, if I were alive at the time. I do think Zionism is foolish. It's foolish because it does not accomplish what it is supposed to accomplish. You are living evidence of that.

Israel is not stopping Jews' problems. In fact, they may be worse for the existence of Israel.

- yes the 5 years prior to the creation of Israel were great.

How hypocritical of you to favor the creation of your own country, but you refuse to live in it. Instead, you choose the security of Toronto.

- Nothing hypocritical in supporting the people who live in Israel to make it their home. I did not chose to do so - but I do not forbid others to.

Is France a theocracy? Sweden? As I have said before, I favor the free movement of labor, not the protection of national borders and discrimination against whoever and whatever.

Israely is not theocracy either. I am favouring all the things you said as well...and it includes Jews.

Btw, I have not called for dismantling Israel, but may have called for not creating at the time, if I were alive at the time.

- 60 years almost past since them...a bit late now to say that.

I do think Zionism is foolish. It's foolish because it does not accomplish what it is supposed to accomplish. You are living evidence of that.

- have you ever been to Israel - 5 Million Jews live there with 1 Million Arabs. I am only one that decided to immigrate - my choice. That country - despite all the hardship is growing in numbers - positive imigration - positive internal organic growth (not like Europe), economy is booming, industry is growing, 3rd place in the world in publishing academic papers, INTEL decided to have its R&D centre there, forein investment in all time high...and you call is a failure?

Lastly, my coices are personal and are not idicative of anything is general.

You, however, ran away from South Africa because it was not comfortable for you to live under black majority - and now moved to the U.S. found a Soap Box and lectures...that is hypocracy in it's best. If you are so anti-American you can always go somewhere else ...er, no other place will take you if things get bad...ho yes, just remembered there is one place...ISRAEL.

[Torontonian]

Zionism "Failures":

Israel, the 100th smallest country with less than 1/1000th of the world's population, was one of the very first nations to offer substantial aid and to send medical rescue missions to Islamic people in the stricken tsunami areas. Israel mobilized 150 doctors and relief teams as well as an 82-ton planeload of supplies for Sri Lanka. Israel also sent aid to India and Thailand.

The scientific technology employed by NASA to beam video images from its Mars land-rover back to Earth was developed by two Israelis.

An Israeli company designed a special parachute that will allow people to jump from high-rise buildings in case of emergency.

An Israeli group of scientists from the Israel Institute of Technology developed methods to improve the efficiency of solar-hydrogen, non-polluting powered cars.

“60 Minutes” focused on Hadassah Hospital in Jerusalem where medical staff — both Jewish and Arab — work together to save Jewish and Arab lives.

Israeli scientists developed the first fully computerized, no-radiation diagnostic instrumentation for breast cancer.

An Israeli company developed a computerized system for ensuring proper administration of medications, thus removing human error from medical treatment. Every year in U.S. hospitals, 7,000 patients die from treatment mistakes.

Researchers in Israel developed a new device that directly helps the heart pump blood, an innovation with the potential to save lives among those with heart disease. The new device is synchronized with a camera that helps doctors diagnose a heart's mechanical operations through a sophisticated system of sensors.

Archaeologists in Israel and from all over the world have discovered and recovered amazing artifacts long neglected or desecrated by others who occupied this area.
Israelis have developed very advanced hydrology technology that allows crops to grow in the most arid conditions.

Israel has shared this technology with other peoples, including the Hopi Indians.

The X-Hawk rotorless helicopter, the first helicopter to have the capability to move in tight spaces, is now in development in Israel.

The cell phone was developed in Israel by Israelis working in the Israeli branch of Motorola, which has its largest development center in Israel.

Most of the Windows NT and XP operating systems were developed by Microsoft-Israel. The Pentium MMX chip technology was designed in Israel at Intel.

Voice mail technology was also developed in Israel. The technology for the AOL Instant Messenger was developed in 1996 by four young Israelis.

Israel has the highest average living standards in the Middle East. The per capita income in 2000 was over $17,500, exceeding that of the UK.

Twenty-four per cent of Israel's workforce holds university degrees, ranking third in the industrialized world, after the United States and Holland and 12 per cent hold advanced degrees.

In 1984 and 1991, Israel airlifted a total of 22,000 Ethiopian Jews (Operation Solomon) at risk in Ethiopia, to safety in Israel.

The Middle East has been growing date palms for centuries. The average tree is about 18 -20 feet tall and yields about 38 pounds of dates a year. Israeli trees are now yielding about 400 pounds a year and are short enough to be harvested from the ground or a short ladder.

When the U. S. Embassy in Nairobi, Kenya was bombed in 1998, Israeli rescue teams were on the scene within a day — and saved three victims from the rubble.

[*Guest*]

You can rant about this article Churchill wrote, Torontonian, until Hell freezes over, but he did write it despite what you and Richard M. Langworth can claim to the contrary - what makes the overrated Prime Minister look even worse.

The fact that Churchill wrote the article is clearly established by what Charles Eade wrote in March 1940 - about Churchill having written the article for the American magazine Liberty in 1937.

This was when Churchill was in bed with the various militant anti-communists. At this time he was referring to the leading Falangist in Spain, the Duke of Alba, as his "cousin", and hoping for a Nationalist victory there.

While this is bad enough, it does no good to claim that the article was done by a domestic fascist, Alan M. Diston, a regular ghost writer from Oswald Moseley's League of Fascists who was working for the most opportunistic politician. It is simply a disgrace for Churchill to have regularly relied upon the output of such a scum bag.

In sum, everything you discuss just makes what you want look worse.

[Torontonian]

yeah yeah yeah...so you have been cought yet again with your pants down with the worng facts...just say "I was wrong" and we'll let it go...man you hate to be wrong eh?

[Streja]

Torontian, every country has had inventions and good things, even israel. I have seen documentaries about Israelis and Palestinians living together in peace. Those are good things, however, there are bad things about the country as well, as we can see daily on the news.

[Mo]

Should immigrants have be to absorbed? If we don't all retire to a small red house in the country to drink snaps and eat sill at midsommar, would we all be partly responsible if the native Swedes decide to rise up and kill us all?

sort of like ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Brice%27s_Day_massacre

follow the link & you get this

"the Danes, thanks to their habit of combing their hair every day, of bathing every Saturday and regularly changing their clothes, were able to undermine the virtue of married women and even seduce the daughters of nobles to be their mistresses."

bastards ... washing ... what kind of underhand un-english behaviour is that!

[Torontonian]

Torontian, every country has had inventions and good things, even israel. I have seen documentaries about Israelis and Palestinians living together in peace. Those are good things, however, there are bad things about the country as well, as we can see daily on the news.

...I never said it was perfect..there is much to improve...but calling it a failure is just not true..

[High Priestess Kang - Slu...]

yeah yeah yeah...so you have been cought yet again with your pants down with the worng facts...just say "I was wrong" and we'll let it go...man you hate to be wrong eh?

Again...

Alice and Kang went through a long agrument with Mr Ed last year entirely disproving this theory. He never said what is being alleged.

Stop reading slanderous sites that distort data, kplzthnx.

[FR]

You, however, ran away from South Africa because it was not comfortable for you to live under black majority - and now moved to the U.S. found a Soap Box and lectures...that is hypocracy in it's best. If you are so anti-American you can always go somewhere else ...er, no other place will take you if things get bad...ho yes, just remembered there is one place...ISRAEL.

I left South Africa during Apartheid, long before black majority rule.

Go and live in Israel, Torontonian.

[Raffs]

Britain's most over-rated PM turns out to have been an anti-Semite afterall:

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2007/03/10/0...2.7mxzo1K0.html

They are apparently different, and don't want to assimilate!

Who gives a rats arse what some PM said over 60 odd years ago.

oh right anti-Semite it's all part and parcel of the 11th commandment

Thou Shalt not say anything against israel

[Torontonian]

Who gives a rats arse what some PM said over 60 odd years ago.

oh right anti-Semite it's all part and parcel of the 11th commandment

Thou Shalt not say anything against israel

1.

Who gives a rats arse what some PM said over 60 odd years ago.

-You do. You just responded
2. You obviously have no abilty to read as you would have noticed that:

Kang and I - two documented Jews - are saying Churchill is NOT an Anti-Semite. Throw you friend who is one - claimes Chichill was!

Finnaly - you last comment

"oh right anti-Semite it's all part and parcel of the 11th commandment

Thou Shalt not say anything against israel"

is completely stupid given those facts.

Shabat Shalom

[Torontonian]

I left South Africa during Apartheid, long before black majority rule.

Go and live in Israel, Torontonian.

Why did you run away and not stayed behind and changed things from whithin??? I guess it was much easier to move to the U.S. eh? Packed and moved to the golden medina Left your black countryman behind?I smell guilt.

Personally - I am Canadian - my family is Canadian and I am Torontonian. This is why I live here. I do not live in Israel becuase it is not my priority. However, unlike you - I am not arrogant to claim that people who have different priorities than mine have no rights for them.

[FR]

Why did you run away and not stayed behind and changed things from whithin??? I guess it was much easier to move to the U.S. eh? Packed and moved to the golden medina Left your black countryman behind?I smell guilt.

Personally - I am Canadian - my family is Canadian and I am Torontonian. This is why I live here. I do not live in Israel becuase it is not my priority. However, unlike you - I am not arrogant to claim that people who have different priorities than mine have no rights for them.

I was a child at the time, Torontonian, so no guilt here.

To remind you why leaving is better than staying and trying to change things... free movement of labor... take the resources away from those doing wrong. The brain drain in South Africa during the '70s and '80s led to the downfall of Apartheid.