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Posted by: TheExpatEagle 2.Jan.2021, 10:37 PM
For anyone looking to move home to/from Sweden to/from the UK may be interested in the information on Tullverket about restrictions and regulations regarding the UK.
Such as you must declare if you have more than 10.000kr in cash, are libel to pay MOMS and import duty on goods worth over 1.600kr and so on.
Anyone who remembers travelling to Europe before 1996 will be used to such restrictions.
https://www.tullverket.se/sv/privat/brexitforprivatpersoner.4.2894757916870c7915c2.html
Posted by: Guest 2.Jan.2021, 11:04 PM
It's what they voted for. The fun is just beginning.
Posted by: Martin565 3.Jan.2021, 11:53 AM
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Posted by: Beofile 3.Jan.2021, 02:37 PM
That website is totally out of date and I fear completely wrong info? The trade agreement made means no restrictions bringing goods or possessions across the border?
Posted by: Guest 3.Jan.2021, 02:55 PM
Posted by: Martin565 3.Jan.2021, 03:10 PM
QUOTE (Skogsbo1 @ 3.Jan.2021, 02:55 PM) 
Of course it morphed beyond a trading agreement, but the UK doesn't have a full trade agreement now. It can trade goods, but limited services, there are quotas and tariffs, plus it has the rights to less than half of its own fisheries, regardless of how bad the eu is, the UK is in a worse position now. Tax revenue from the city will fall and many industries will slowly creep away to the eu. The UK had a good position in the eu, no euro commitment, a rebate that thatcher negotiated etc.. it was win win until 3 dags ago.
It also had its laws courts superseded by the EU 80% of its fisheries taken by the EU no control over its own borders and a massive deficits to the EU.
Posted by: Martin565 3.Jan.2021, 03:13 PM
Posted by: Justanothernobody 3.Jan.2021, 03:19 PM
Little England won't try to join the EU again for a very long time. The UK had one of the best positions in the EU with a lot of opt outs, it will never get those back so it's always going to be in a worse position than it was before even if it rejoins.
On top of that all the UK has done is mess about and undermine the EU for years. The EU will take an economic hit from the UK leaving but overall it's better off without the UK.
Posted by: Guest 3.Jan.2021, 03:21 PM
QUOTE (Martin565 @ 3.Jan.2021, 03:10 PM)
It also had its laws courts superseded by the EU 80% of its fisheries taken by the EU no control over its own borders and a massive deficits to the EU.
Of the fisheries it had it sold the quota to foreign vessels anyway!
Tell me the net upside of brexit? The gain?
Posted by: Martin565 3.Jan.2021, 03:23 PM
QUOTE (Skogsbo1 @ 3.Jan.2021, 03:21 PM)
Of the fisheries it had it sold the quota to foreign vessels anyway!
Tell me the net upside of brexit? The gain?
Tell me the net upside of brexit? The gain?
What like Iceland ? That hold 90% of their own fisheries and the other 10% is open to the highest payer, good idea but you want to give up 80% to the eu for nothing?
Posted by: Guest 3.Jan.2021, 03:26 PM
QUOTE (Justanothernobody @ 3.Jan.2021, 03:19 PM)
Little England won't try to join the EU again for a very long time. The UK had one of the best positions in the EU with a lot of opt outs, it will never get those back so it's always going to be in a worse position than it was before even if it rejoins.
On top of that all the UK has done is mess about and undermine the EU for years. The EU will take an economic hit from the UK leaving but overall it's better off without the UK.
On top of that all the UK has done is mess about and undermine the EU for years. The EU will take an economic hit from the UK leaving but overall it's better off without the UK.
By the time they realise the down side it will be too late. The UK could thrive, it could restructure and grow. But the population have too much of a sense of entitled or that someone else can do the harder work for them. The generation that voted for brexit could take a hit and lower their standard of living, that would fund future growth,training and investment. 10-20 years down the line, the UK could be highly skilled and outward looking.
Posted by: Martin565 3.Jan.2021, 03:27 PM
Posted by: Guest 3.Jan.2021, 03:29 PM
QUOTE (Martin565 @ 3.Jan.2021, 03:23 PM)
What like Iceland ? That hold 90% of their own fisheries and the other 10% is open to the highest payer, good idea but you want to give up 80% to the eu for nothing?
Right now much of the UK quota has been sold, the UK boats don't want to fish it.
But it's only fish. Such a small percentage of the economy. 8 months of purely Nissans output is worth more than all the UK fisheries added together.
Posted by: Guest 3.Jan.2021, 03:31 PM
What horrible eu regulations (they aren't actually laws) have ruined your life?
Posted by: Martin565 3.Jan.2021, 03:33 PM
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Posted by: Martin565 3.Jan.2021, 03:35 PM
Posted by: Guest 3.Jan.2021, 03:37 PM
Personally the common agricultural policy and allowing weaker nations into the euro are massive mistakes. But, free trade and open borders are arguably worth much more.
Posted by: Martin565 3.Jan.2021, 03:37 PM
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Posted by: Guest 3.Jan.2021, 05:01 PM
QUOTE (Martin565 @ 3.Jan.2021, 04:32 PM)
Was the U.K. a sovereign state in the Eu making and living under its own laws? Yes or no? Simple question?
It is as free now as it was on the 31st Dec. Only now it does not have free trade of services, free movement of labour, reciprocal medical treatment etc. Etc..
Posted by: Martin565 3.Jan.2021, 05:15 PM
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Posted by: Martin565 3.Jan.2021, 06:25 PM
QUOTE (Skogsbo1 @ 3.Jan.2021, 06:22 PM)
Because what can the UK now claim it has sovereign powers over? Most things it does must comply with external regulations, that's the very nature of a global economy and global trade.
Regulations and tariffs are nothing to do with sovereignty, law, border controls, political policy making and self determination through your own political process are examples of sovereignty. Get it in your head.
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Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 3.Jan.2021, 07:09 PM
Over here(USA)when we "cracked down" on foreign fisheries...they created American companies and used them to continue fishing...
About the Brits...a man once said "of Europe, but not European"...
I think that means a great deal to them...don't worry, with that attitude they'll get along...they always do!!!
Posted by: Martin565 3.Jan.2021, 07:15 PM
QUOTE (Gamla H?lsingebock @ 3.Jan.2021, 07:09 PM)
Over here(USA)when we "cracked down" on foreign fisheries...they created American companies and used them to continue fishing...
About the Brits...a man once said "of Europe, but not European"...
I think that means a great deal to them...don't worry, with that attitude they'll get along...they always do!!!
About the Brits...a man once said "of Europe, but not European"...
I think that means a great deal to them...don't worry, with that attitude they'll get along...they always do!!!
A united Europe always made for a weaker Britain they?ve always been against it, but its way past that now they?ve decided to remove themselves from it, I think for the better as well, just these people that lost the ref are beyond desperate, broken fucking records on and on the same rubbish making bold statements about what?s going to happen here and there even if it turns out to be like they say it was democratic decision accept it, you don?t even get democratic decision s in the EU The proof will be in the pudding.
Posted by: Guest 3.Jan.2021, 07:53 PM
Posted by: Martin565 3.Jan.2021, 08:26 PM
QUOTE (Skogsbo1 @ 3.Jan.2021, 07:53 PM)
It's no way to live, but it's the only way to survive in the UK now. They don't want to live in caring world, sharing assets and resources. They voted every man for himself. Which is fine, but the uk's hand isn't exactly the strongest, it's not 1880 and the empire anymore.
Do me a favour, the only way to survive haha how did we survive before the EU? And yep the EU is so fair let in any Tom dick and Harry without papers whilst Swedish and German pensioners have to collect scrap tin cans from bins just to eat. The EU is for the ruling technocrat elitists.
Posted by: TheExpatEagle 3.Jan.2021, 08:58 PM
QUOTE (Skogsbo1 @ 3.Jan.2021, 03:31 PM)
What horrible eu regulations (they aren't actually laws) have ruined your life?
Personally, as a working class man, freedom of movement has done more to hurt British youth than anything else. We've underinvested in our youth for far too long in exchange for bringing in qualified workers from the EU.
I see it all the time in Sweden. We lose doctors, nurses and so on. An aveage Swede going into the UK is highly skilled whereas the average Brit coming the other way is under-skilled.
Since 00.01 on 1st January 2021 the UK has banned the export of live animals and pulse fishing. Our standards are higher than the in the EU. The replacement for ERASMUS will be better for our youth too.
That'll do for now. Within 5 years our youth will be better trained and have more opportunities.
Brexit *can be* a great thing for the UK but like all things it needs to be handled right.
#Swexit
Posted by: TheExpatEagle 3.Jan.2021, 08:59 PM
QUOTE (Skogsbo1 @ 3.Jan.2021, 03:43 PM)
You are sat where you are now because of open borders.
I'd disagree. As he has kids and a wife/partner he's have been allowed into Sweden just like the Thai, Brazilians and so on are allowed to.
Posted by: TheExpatEagle 3.Jan.2021, 09:00 PM
QUOTE (Skogsbo1 @ 3.Jan.2021, 04:21 PM)
But it is that low. It's symbolic, but very low financial value.
Plus. Why would the eu 27 ever agree a deal with the UK that was better than being a member. The uk was always going to be worse off after brexit.
Plus. Why would the eu 27 ever agree a deal with the UK that was better than being a member. The uk was always going to be worse off after brexit.
Being better off isn't always about money. When a teenager leaves home he/she is financially worse off but better off from a qualify of life point of view.
Remain voters really miss the point about Brexit and think it is all about money, racism and hating Europe.
Personally, I like Europe and Europeans but detest the European Union. I'd be happy with the EEC pre-Maastrict.
Posted by: TheExpatEagle 3.Jan.2021, 09:00 PM
QUOTE (Skogsbo1 @ 3.Jan.2021, 05:01 PM)
It is as free now as it was on the 31st Dec. Only now it does not have free trade of services, free movement of labour, reciprocal medical treatment etc. Etc..
Because we left the EU on 31st January 2020. :-)
Posted by: TheExpatEagle 3.Jan.2021, 09:02 PM
QUOTE (Justanothernobody @ 3.Jan.2021, 05:36 PM)
Which important laws made by the EU were bad for the UK? Remember there was no EU and the UK, no us Vs them, we were part of the EU making those laws and regulations.
All countries have control of their borders, that was another lie meant to appease the xenophobes. This was demonstrated quite recently when a number of EU countries closed or tightened their borders to the UK over the new variant.
All countries have control of their borders, that was another lie meant to appease the xenophobes. This was demonstrated quite recently when a number of EU countries closed or tightened their borders to the UK over the new variant.
Under EU law we couldn't change our welfare system to disadvantage foreigners without the EU's consent. This meant in stupid situations a foreigner living in the UK could claim child allowance for a kid living in their home country and send the money there.
Cameron tried and failed to get the EU to let us change the law but, surprisingly, the other 27 said no.
Sweden had a similar problem 2 years ago. Is it any surprise that now the UK has announced foreigners must have lived in the UK for 5 years before claiming benefits?
We can do what we like now.
Posted by: Martin565 3.Jan.2021, 09:41 PM
Posted by: Martin565 3.Jan.2021, 09:47 PM
Posted by: Guest 3.Jan.2021, 09:48 PM
QUOTE (TheExpatEagle @ 3.Jan.2021, 09:02 PM)
Under EU law we couldn't change our welfare system to disadvantage foreigners without the EU's consent. This meant in stupid situations a foreigner living in the UK could claim child allowance for a kid living in their home country and send the money there.
Cameron tried and failed to get the EU to let us change the law but, surprisingly, the other 27 said no.
Sweden had a similar problem 2 years ago. Is it any surprise that now the UK has announced foreigners must have lived in the UK for 5 years before claiming benefits?
We can do what we like now.
Cameron tried and failed to get the EU to let us change the law but, surprisingly, the other 27 said no.
Sweden had a similar problem 2 years ago. Is it any surprise that now the UK has announced foreigners must have lived in the UK for 5 years before claiming benefits?
We can do what we like now.
But if you arrive in sweden from within the eu jobless and cashless what do you get from the swedish state, nothing. The uk could have done the same. You get 90days benefits from your homeland whilst job seeking, then shown the door.
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Posted by: Justanothernobody 3.Jan.2021, 11:19 PM
QUOTE (TheExpatEagle @ 3.Jan.2021, 09:02 PM)
Under EU law we couldn't change our welfare system to disadvantage foreigners without the EU's consent. This meant in stupid situations a foreigner living in the UK could claim child allowance for a kid living in their home country and send the money there.
Cameron tried and failed to get the EU to let us change the law but, surprisingly, the other 27 said no.
Sweden had a similar problem 2 years ago. Is it any surprise that now the UK has announced foreigners must have lived in the UK for 5 years before claiming benefits?
We can do what we like now.
Cameron tried and failed to get the EU to let us change the law but, surprisingly, the other 27 said no.
Sweden had a similar problem 2 years ago. Is it any surprise that now the UK has announced foreigners must have lived in the UK for 5 years before claiming benefits?
We can do what we like now.
The EU has never been in control of the UKs welfare system.
This kind of thing is what lead to Brexit. People were being told to point the finger at the EU for all the governments failings. It worked because most people haven't got a clue how the EU functions and saw the EU as a separate entity trying to rule over us instead of a union we played a big part in.
The one good thing about Brexit is that the UK government will no longer be able to shift blame to a "foreign" entity.
Now it will be the unelected UK bureaucrats getting the blame, like the almost 800 unelected bureaucrats sitting in the house of lords. I guess that's ok though as most of them will be British...
Posted by: Martin565 4.Jan.2021, 10:05 AM
QUOTE (Justanothernobody @ 3.Jan.2021, 11:19 PM)
The EU has never been in control of the UKs welfare system.
This kind of thing is what lead to Brexit. People were being told to point the finger at the EU for all the governments failings. It worked because most people haven't got a clue how the EU functions and saw the EU as a separate entity trying to rule over us instead of a union we played a big part in.
The one good thing about Brexit is that the UK government will no longer be able to shift blame to a "foreign" entity.
Now it will be the unelected UK bureaucrats getting the blame, like the almost 800 unelected bureaucrats sitting in the house of lords. I guess that's ok though as most of them will be British...
This kind of thing is what lead to Brexit. People were being told to point the finger at the EU for all the governments failings. It worked because most people haven't got a clue how the EU functions and saw the EU as a separate entity trying to rule over us instead of a union we played a big part in.
The one good thing about Brexit is that the UK government will no longer be able to shift blame to a "foreign" entity.
Now it will be the unelected UK bureaucrats getting the blame, like the almost 800 unelected bureaucrats sitting in the house of lords. I guess that's ok though as most of them will be British...
Wrong again
If the EU guaranteed freedom of movement it also indirectly lead to acesss to welfare or child support.
Posted by: Guest 4.Jan.2021, 11:45 AM
QUOTE (Martin565 @ 4.Jan.2021, 10:05 AM)
Wrong again
If the EU guaranteed freedom of movement it also indirectly lead to acesss to welfare or child support.
If the EU guaranteed freedom of movement it also indirectly lead to acesss to welfare or child support.
That's not true. You only have freedom of movement for employment. There is nothing in eu regulations related to a right to reside or benefits.
The number of folk arriving on this forum complaining that the swedish state won't give them a personal number, benefits, etc would testify to that.
The uk could have been much stricter than it was, but in reality it needed that cheap labour to do all the jobs Brits won't do, fruit and veg picking, cleaning, bar and hotel work etc.. now once the UK allows them to be residents, gives them a national insurance number; then they are entitled to the same benefits as anyone living and working in the UK, being from elsewhere in the eu irrelevant.
Posted by: yonisan 4.Jan.2021, 04:02 PM
I voted to remain as I have enjoyed the option of free movement and believe that this is a good thing for future generations. What is done is done now and I also Brexit proofed myself to ensure that I can continue to enjoy the option of free movement.
For the UK they are now as much as they can be the masters and mistresses of their own destiny as stated above - no more can they blame Europe for anything.
Good luck to everyone living their the next 10 to 20 years is going to be a bit rocky for many citizens.
Posted by: Martin565 4.Jan.2021, 04:46 PM
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Posted by: june baby 4.Jan.2021, 07:12 PM
QUOTE (Justanothernobody @ 3.Jan.2021, 10:19 PM)
The EU has never been in control of the UKs welfare system.
This kind of thing is what lead to Brexit. People were being told to point the finger at the EU for all the governments failings. It worked because most people haven't got a clue how the EU functions and saw the EU as a separate entity trying to rule over us instead of a union we played a big part in.
The one good thing about Brexit is that the UK government will no longer be able to shift blame to a "foreign" entity.
Now it will be the unelected UK bureaucrats getting the blame, like the almost 800 unelected bureaucrats sitting in the house of lords. I guess that's ok though as most of them will be British...
This kind of thing is what lead to Brexit. People were being told to point the finger at the EU for all the governments failings. It worked because most people haven't got a clue how the EU functions and saw the EU as a separate entity trying to rule over us instead of a union we played a big part in.
The one good thing about Brexit is that the UK government will no longer be able to shift blame to a "foreign" entity.
Now it will be the unelected UK bureaucrats getting the blame, like the almost 800 unelected bureaucrats sitting in the house of lords. I guess that's ok though as most of them will be British...
Indeed and thank you for pointing this out.
The majority of laws negotiated by all the representatives of member states (even the council and commission are appointed and approved by each member state), are actually advisory. Each member state can choose to apply or diverge within a certain set of agreed parameters. Just like you would do for any other trade agreement.
Most of the time the EU works with directives and not regulations.
https://europa.eu/european-union/law/legal-acts_en
Immigration and freedom of movement can be controlled by each member state, not everyone had to be allowed in and some of the member states controlled this and others chose not to.
I don't believe the EU and its constructs are perfect but they have gone a long way to keeping peace on this continent and becoming a worldwide trading bloc so that each of the states can play on a more level playing field with the big blocs like China and US. Imagine each country on their own, then we would all be swallowed up by a bigger brother or side-lined. In a global world collaboration and having standards is helpful.
The other option is what lead to wars thanks to power-hungry and expansionist takeovers of other states.
The conditions that lead to Brexit are years of misinformation and class divides that have never been resolved. If you follow the money then you see that the wealthy elite wanted to keep tax havens, which is something the EU is making transparent. It is mad to think that the gutter press are all owned by seriously wealthy individuals a lot of them not paying their fair share of tax to keep the country going. Include in that several Tory party members.
The referendum was proven to be fraudulent and the bunch currently in charge is a muppet show likely to cause more serious harm than any EU directive will have ever done.
Anyway, I hope that Brexit will bring sense in the long run, one good thing it did already is that it silenced a lot of nationalist movements. I just hope that this will remain and with that peace too.
Posted by: Martin565 4.Jan.2021, 07:38 PM
QUOTE (june baby @ 4.Jan.2021, 07:12 PM)
Indeed and thank you for pointing this out.
The majority of laws negotiated by all the representatives of member states (even the council and commission are appointed and approved by each member state), are actually advisory. Each member state can choose to apply or diverge within a certain set of agreed parameters. Just like you would do for any other trade agreement.
Most of the time the EU works with directives and not regulations.
https://europa.eu/european-union/law/legal-acts_en
Immigration and freedom of movement can be controlled by each member state, not everyone had to be allowed in and some of the member states controlled this and others chose not to.
I don't believe the EU and its constructs are perfect but they have gone a long way to keeping peace on this continent and becoming a worldwide trading bloc so that each of the states can play on a more level playing field with the big blocs like China and US. Imagine each country on their own, then we would all be swallowed up by a bigger brother or side-lined. In a global world collaboration and having standards is helpful.
The other option is what lead to wars thanks to power-hungry and expansionist takeovers of other states.
The conditions that lead to Brexit are years of misinformation and class divides that have never been resolved. If you follow the money then you see that the wealthy elite wanted to keep tax havens, which is something the EU is making transparent. It is mad to think that the gutter press are all owned by seriously wealthy individuals a lot of them not paying their fair share of tax to keep the country going. Include in that several Tory party members.
The referendum was proven to be fraudulent and the bunch currently in charge is a muppet show likely to cause more serious harm than any EU directive will have ever done.
Anyway, I hope that Brexit will bring sense in the long run, one good thing it did already is that it silenced a lot of nationalist movements. I just hope that this will remain and with that peace too.
The majority of laws negotiated by all the representatives of member states (even the council and commission are appointed and approved by each member state), are actually advisory. Each member state can choose to apply or diverge within a certain set of agreed parameters. Just like you would do for any other trade agreement.
Most of the time the EU works with directives and not regulations.
https://europa.eu/european-union/law/legal-acts_en
Immigration and freedom of movement can be controlled by each member state, not everyone had to be allowed in and some of the member states controlled this and others chose not to.
I don't believe the EU and its constructs are perfect but they have gone a long way to keeping peace on this continent and becoming a worldwide trading bloc so that each of the states can play on a more level playing field with the big blocs like China and US. Imagine each country on their own, then we would all be swallowed up by a bigger brother or side-lined. In a global world collaboration and having standards is helpful.
The other option is what lead to wars thanks to power-hungry and expansionist takeovers of other states.
The conditions that lead to Brexit are years of misinformation and class divides that have never been resolved. If you follow the money then you see that the wealthy elite wanted to keep tax havens, which is something the EU is making transparent. It is mad to think that the gutter press are all owned by seriously wealthy individuals a lot of them not paying their fair share of tax to keep the country going. Include in that several Tory party members.
The referendum was proven to be fraudulent and the bunch currently in charge is a muppet show likely to cause more serious harm than any EU directive will have ever done.
Anyway, I hope that Brexit will bring sense in the long run, one good thing it did already is that it silenced a lot of nationalist movements. I just hope that this will remain and with that peace too.
Works by advisories haha go and tell that to Greece Italy and Ireland and the atom bomb had kept peace on the continent more than the EU the Eu stirred up all the problems in the balkans and the Ukraine
Posted by: TheExpatEagle 4.Jan.2021, 08:58 PM
QUOTE (Justanothernobody @ 3.Jan.2021, 11:19 PM)
The EU has never been in control of the UKs welfare system.
This kind of thing is what lead to Brexit. People were being told to point the finger at the EU for all the governments failings. It worked because most people haven't got a clue how the EU functions and saw the EU as a separate entity trying to rule over us instead of a union we played a big part in.
The one good thing about Brexit is that the UK government will no longer be able to shift blame to a "foreign" entity.
Now it will be the unelected UK bureaucrats getting the blame, like the almost 800 unelected bureaucrats sitting in the house of lords. I guess that's ok though as most of them will be British...
This kind of thing is what lead to Brexit. People were being told to point the finger at the EU for all the governments failings. It worked because most people haven't got a clue how the EU functions and saw the EU as a separate entity trying to rule over us instead of a union we played a big part in.
The one good thing about Brexit is that the UK government will no longer be able to shift blame to a "foreign" entity.
Now it will be the unelected UK bureaucrats getting the blame, like the almost 800 unelected bureaucrats sitting in the house of lords. I guess that's ok though as most of them will be British...
I didn't say the EU are in control of the UK's welfare system but the fact is they have to approve any changes that will impact EU citizens living there. The same happened in Sweden.
I don't care if you love the EU or hate it you can't have your own facts.
All people in the Lords are British or they can't sit there. Foreigners are awarded honorary peerages.
Posted by: TheExpatEagle 4.Jan.2021, 09:01 PM
QUOTE (yonisan @ 4.Jan.2021, 04:02 PM)
I voted to remain as I have enjoyed the option of free movement and believe that this is a good thing for future generations. What is done is done now and I also Brexit proofed myself to ensure that I can continue to enjoy the option of free movement.
For the UK they are now as much as they can be the masters and mistresses of their own destiny as stated above - no more can they blame Europe for anything.
Good luck to everyone living their the next 10 to 20 years is going to be a bit rocky for many citizens.
For the UK they are now as much as they can be the masters and mistresses of their own destiny as stated above - no more can they blame Europe for anything.
Good luck to everyone living their the next 10 to 20 years is going to be a bit rocky for many citizens.
You say you voted remain yet say "they" when referring to the UK. If you voted then you must be a British citizen.
Posted by: TheExpatEagle 4.Jan.2021, 09:01 PM
Posted by: TheExpatEagle 4.Jan.2021, 09:04 PM
QUOTE (june baby @ 4.Jan.2021, 07:12 PM)
Indeed and thank you for pointing this out.
The majority of laws negotiated by all the representatives of member states (even the council and commission are appointed and approved by each member state), are actually advisory. Each member state can choose to apply or diverge within a certain set of agreed parameters. Just like you would do for any other trade agreement.
The majority of laws negotiated by all the representatives of member states (even the council and commission are appointed and approved by each member state), are actually advisory. Each member state can choose to apply or diverge within a certain set of agreed parameters. Just like you would do for any other trade agreement.
Advisory? Tell that to the greengrocer in Sunderland who was taken to court by the EU to force him to sell metric.
Remainers are bigger liars than the Brexiteers and hate that they get caught out.
Posted by: TheExpatEagle 4.Jan.2021, 09:07 PM
Posted by: TheExpatEagle 4.Jan.2021, 09:10 PM
Posted by: Guest 4.Jan.2021, 09:55 PM
QUOTE (TheExpatEagle @ 4.Jan.2021, 09:04 PM)
Advisory? Tell that to the greengrocer in Sunderland who was taken to court by the EU to force him to sell metric.
Remainers are bigger liars than the Brexiteers and hate that they get caught out.
Remainers are bigger liars than the Brexiteers and hate that they get caught out.
That was because he refused to label or sell kilos as well. The uk did go metric in 71, long before the 1975 vote. The grocer wouldn't have been happy if he was paid in six pences, or three penny bits.
Posted by: Guest 4.Jan.2021, 09:57 PM
Posted by: Martin565 4.Jan.2021, 10:43 PM
QUOTE (Skogsbo1 @ 4.Jan.2021, 09:55 PM)
That was because he refused to label or sell kilos as well. The uk did go metric in 71, long before the 1975 vote. The grocer wouldn't have been happy if he was paid in six pences, or three penny bits.
With money not measurements
Posted by: Guest 4.Jan.2021, 11:09 PM
QUOTE (Martin565 @ 4.Jan.2021, 10:43 PM)
With money not measurements
Medicine and engineering went metric in the 60s, currency 71, all measurements were only taught in metric form from 72, so it's complex. Either way, it made sense and wasn't anything to do with the eu, just global standardisation.
Posted by: Martin565 5.Jan.2021, 12:12 AM
Posted by: Guest 5.Jan.2021, 07:18 AM
Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 5.Jan.2021, 01:41 PM
If England survived and adapted to changes when joining the EU it surely can adapt and survive leaving it...the sky is not falling and the sun will rise in the east tomorrow...
There will always be an England!!! 
Posted by: Martin565 5.Jan.2021, 01:51 PM
Posted by: Martin565 5.Jan.2021, 01:55 PM
QUOTE (Gamla H?lsingebock @ 5.Jan.2021, 01:41 PM)
If England survived and adapted to changes when joining the EU it surely can adapt and survive leaving it...the sky is not falling and the sun will rise in the east tomorrow...
There will always be an England!!!
There will always be an England!!!
Where?s your gaff now, Kentucky?
Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 5.Jan.2021, 02:57 PM
The "Tar Heel State"...
When writing about covid I cannot say I would rather be in Sweden...anymore!!!
Posted by: Justanothernobody 5.Jan.2021, 02:57 PM
QUOTE (Gamla H?lsingebock @ 5.Jan.2021, 01:41 PM)
If England survived and adapted to changes when joining the EU it surely can adapt and survive leaving it...the sky is not falling and the sun will rise in the east tomorrow...
There will always be an England!!!
There will always be an England!!!
Yes maybe it can go back to being "the sick man of Europe"
With Brexit now done and the completely incompetent handling of the pandemic we seem to be right on track.
Posted by: Martin565 5.Jan.2021, 02:59 PM
QUOTE (Gamla H?lsingebock @ 5.Jan.2021, 02:57 PM)
The "Tar Heel State"...
When writing about covid I cannot say I would rather be in Sweden...anymore!!!
When writing about covid I cannot say I would rather be in Sweden...anymore!!!
How far is I that from Ny 600-800 miles? That?s only a stones throw in US terms, even I moved further away from home than that.
Posted by: Martin565 5.Jan.2021, 03:04 PM
Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 5.Jan.2021, 03:38 PM
It's a move into the past...it used to be another country...
Posted by: Guest 5.Jan.2021, 04:24 PM
Posted by: Guest 5.Jan.2021, 04:29 PM
Posted by: Martin565 5.Jan.2021, 04:29 PM
Posted by: Guest 5.Jan.2021, 05:09 PM
Posted by: Martin565 5.Jan.2021, 06:07 PM
QUOTE (Skogsbo1 @ 5.Jan.2021, 05:09 PM)
I am in the eu. I haven't lost anything, other than a couple of thousand krona, obtaining citizenship, a second passport, and switching driving licence.
So you lost them, you were forced to change or obtain a citizenship, what do you bring to sweden do you work pay taxes contribute to society here? Who will you choose if either sweden or U.K. go like Spain and make it only possible to keep one citizenship?
Posted by: Martin565 5.Jan.2021, 06:10 PM
Posted by: Guest 5.Jan.2021, 08:22 PM
QUOTE (Martin565 @ 5.Jan.2021, 06:10 PM)
The EU could possibly not allow Eu citizenship and dual british citizenship
It's not an eu decision, there is no such nationality as eu. Decisions on holding dual or multiple nationalities are for each individual country, most do, although I vaguely recall Spain having some quirks.
Posted by: Guest 5.Jan.2021, 08:27 PM
QUOTE (Martin565 @ 5.Jan.2021, 06:07 PM)
So you lost them, you were forced to change or obtain a citizenship, what do you bring to sweden do you work pay taxes contribute to society here? Who will you choose if either sweden or U.K. go like Spain and make it only possible to keep one citizenship?
I'll pick which suits me and my family best. It's hard to know, many things could change like double taxation rules, pensions, capital gains.. it's all unchartered waters. I'd imagine there will be pros and cons either way.
But whilst Brexiteers think they won, they are in the main British and stuck in Britain. I'm not. Call me a lover if it makes you feel better, but in some senses I can't lose, as I could just as easily move back to the UK if it magically thrived in 5 years time.
Posted by: Martin565 5.Jan.2021, 08:31 PM
Posted by: Guest 5.Jan.2021, 08:40 PM
Posted by: Martin565 5.Jan.2021, 08:41 PM
QUOTE (Skogsbo1 @ 5.Jan.2021, 08:40 PM)
Why?
Never mind
Posted by: TheExpatEagle 5.Jan.2021, 08:46 PM
QUOTE (Skogsbo1 @ 4.Jan.2021, 09:55 PM)
That was because he refused to label or sell kilos as well. The uk did go metric in 71, long before the 1975 vote. The grocer wouldn't have been happy if he was paid in six pences, or three penny bits.
We went metric with regards to currency not weights and measures. The EU was forcing grocers to sell in metric after Maastrict came into force ergo it was the EU forcing the UK to do something we didn't want to do.
Posted by: Guest 5.Jan.2021, 08:49 PM
QUOTE (TheExpatEagle @ 5.Jan.2021, 08:46 PM)
We went metric with regards to currency not weights and measures. The EU was forcing grocers to sell in metric after Maastrict came into force ergo it was the EU forcing the UK to do something we didn't want to do.
By 1995 most other things had been metric for 25 years!
It's called joining the modern world.
Posted by: TheExpatEagle 5.Jan.2021, 08:49 PM
Posted by: TheExpatEagle 5.Jan.2021, 08:53 PM
QUOTE (Skogsbo1 @ 4.Jan.2021, 11:09 PM)
Medicine and engineering went metric in the 60s, currency 71, all measurements were only taught in metric form from 72, so it's complex. Either way, it made sense and wasn't anything to do with the eu, just global standardisation.
That is just not true! I was at school until 1990 when I left 6th form and I was taught Imperial primarily with metric as an afterthought.
Posted by: intrepidfox 5.Jan.2021, 08:58 PM
Thank God we left the EU and the pompous gits that run it. Time for Swexit
Posted by: TheExpatEagle 5.Jan.2021, 09:01 PM
Posted by: intrepidfox 5.Jan.2021, 09:03 PM
QUOTE (TheExpatEagle @ 5.Jan.2021, 09:01 PM)
It could be argued that the Conservatives screwed Sweden up by having two terms in power during the 00s and 10s.
They did
Posted by: TheExpatEagle 5.Jan.2021, 09:03 PM
QUOTE (Skogsbo1 @ 5.Jan.2021, 08:27 PM)
I'll pick which suits me and my family best. It's hard to know, many things could change like double taxation rules, pensions, capital gains.. it's all unchartered waters. I'd imagine there will be pros and cons either way.
But whilst Brexiteers think they won, they are in the main British and stuck in Britain. I'm not. Call me a lover if it makes you feel better, but in some senses I can't lose, as I could just as easily move back to the UK if it magically thrived in 5 years time.
But whilst Brexiteers think they won, they are in the main British and stuck in Britain. I'm not. Call me a lover if it makes you feel better, but in some senses I can't lose, as I could just as easily move back to the UK if it magically thrived in 5 years time.
Aren't all Brexiteers British? Nobody else could vote without being a British citizen.
I don't see remainers as losers, many are moaners and wanted to prevent democracy but that isn't all of them.
TBH for the first time since I moved here I can imagine a future where I do move back to the UK especially if they get a handle on law and order.
Nuking the Midlands would be a plus too.
Posted by: TheExpatEagle 5.Jan.2021, 09:06 PM
Posted by: Martin565 5.Jan.2021, 09:07 PM
QUOTE (TheExpatEagle @ 5.Jan.2021, 09:06 PM)
The sooner you make good on your promise and leave the better but you are just full of crap. I said you wouldn't leave and you haven't.
One of the few times I am agreeing with you and you decide to snipe at me. That sums you lot up which is why Brits feel uneasy being in a regiment with a Brummie. You can't trust them in battle. Shoot you in the back they would and shout their are patriots.
One of the few times I am agreeing with you and you decide to snipe at me. That sums you lot up which is why Brits feel uneasy being in a regiment with a Brummie. You can't trust them in battle. Shoot you in the back they would and shout their are patriots.
Come and kick me out then big lad
Posted by: Martin565 5.Jan.2021, 09:09 PM
Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 6.Jan.2021, 07:06 AM
All this back and forth about Brexit...means nothing...
The truth is below...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFBgQpz_E80
Posted by: Martin565 6.Jan.2021, 10:01 AM
QUOTE (Gamla H?lsingebock @ 6.Jan.2021, 07:06 AM)
All this back and forth about Brexit...means nothing...
The truth is below...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFBgQpz_E80
The truth is below...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFBgQpz_E80
The EU is finished in ten years anyway and we should get rid of dual citizenships as well, how can you be a citizen of two countries you can only live in one place
Posted by: TheExpatEagle 6.Jan.2021, 11:13 AM
QUOTE (Skogsbo1 @ 5.Jan.2021, 08:49 PM)
By 1995 most other things had been metric for 25 years!
It's called joining the modern world.
It's called joining the modern world.
You tell that to the Americans.
Ohm by the way, how do Swedes measure TV sizes? And Jeans? There are other things too so if metric is so modern why is my TV a 55 INCH? ;-)
Posted by: TheExpatEagle 6.Jan.2021, 11:16 AM
QUOTE (Martin565 @ 5.Jan.2021, 09:07 PM)
Come and kick me out then big lad
I don't need to. The longer you stay the more people see you for the lying, snidey, odious shitbag you really are. You might offer me out yet again! All talk no trousers.
Stay as long as you like it makes me laugh at how pathetic you are.
Posted by: TheExpatEagle 6.Jan.2021, 11:18 AM
Posted by: Martin565 6.Jan.2021, 11:24 AM
QUOTE (TheExpatEagle @ 6.Jan.2021, 11:16 AM)
I don't need to. The longer you stay the more people see you for the lying, snidey, odious shitbag you really are. You might offer me out yet again! All talk no trousers.
Stay as long as you like it makes me laugh at how pathetic you are.
Stay as long as you like it makes me laugh at how pathetic you are.
That all you got? Fucking pathetic
Posted by: TheExpatEagle 6.Jan.2021, 07:36 PM
QUOTE (Martin565 @ 6.Jan.2021, 11:24 AM)
That all you got? Fucking pathetic
Yes, you are. Very pathetic. You hate it here and you hate Swedes yet if it wasn't for them you'd be fucked now. Keyboard warrior who probably is pussy whipped at home.
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