(edit title) Legalizing prostition in Sweden Options

[Pearlfisher]

Why don't they legalize prostition in Sweden? That way there would be no more traffiking of women and no one gets punished for paying for the service.Those who want to be hookers can do so.

I think the present policy is so stupid. Punishing men for paying for a hooker.She wants /needs the money and he wants to employ her.Seems equitable.

[bonjour]

I agree.

There was a very good BBC radio programme recently about this, which included a radical feminist who had been very anti-prostitution, but then had moved to Nevada (where prostitution is legal outside the very biggest cities) and admitted she totally reversed her stance.

The biggest problem I have with the situation in Sweden is that this subject, like one or two others, is simply considered not up for debate. It's not negotiable. Sweden has decided (as with drugs and alcohol) that it's right and everyone else is wrong, so there's nothing to discuss.

[Mib]

Well, it should be like Systembolaget. The Government controls the rules for drugs/prostitutes and with the taxes provides education, medical testing etc. You'll find that most of the deaths from drugs is as a result of too pure or contaminated drugs and is still vastly less than alcohol, although I beieve that would rise if legalised...but we are adults.

Prostitutes are in it for the money and a lot of them are doing it to fund their drug habit. Again, legalise it, tax it and fund initiatives to provide training/education to get into other professions and to protect themselves regarding sexual diseases etc.

[raffe]

I disagree... It's an illusion to think that there will be no more trafikking of women just be legalizing prostitution.

Don't get me wrong here... I'm in favour of legalizing prostitution because it does help to keep it of the streets, but doesn't resolve all the other problems related to it.

I think the present policy is so stupid. Punishing men for paying for a hooker.She wants /needs the money and he wants to employ her.Seems equitable.

How do you know that she's not forced to prostitute herself? You'll never no for sure...

[007]

prostitution was not illegal from a buying or selling perspective 10 years ago here in sweden.

they're going to take a look to see what has happened in the 10 years since they criminalized the buying side. it will be interesting to hear what they've found. http://www.thelocal.se/11322/20080424/

[Streja]

Why don't they legalize prostition in Sweden? That way there would be no more traffiking of women and no one gets punished for paying for the service.Those who want to be hookers can do so.

I think the present policy is so stupid. Punishing men for paying for a hooker.She wants /needs the money and he wants to employ her.Seems equitable.

Trafficking of women is HUGE problem in Europe and the US. Holland and Germany especially, and the US is the worst in the whole world, so your argument is flawed.

[007]

streja, i have a hypothetical question for you (since i'm actively procrastinating and the best we have on offer today is discussing the ambassador to france's non-point statement...

IF trafficking could be eliminated, and women had other options to employment, would you accept a woman's active choice to exchange sexual services for remuneration? could it then be regarded as any other customer service business?

[Esiq]

What Streja said. Because its legal in Amsterdam for example its harder to control weather things are done in a legal way or if people are forced/sold into it. Scum always tries to find a way to maximize the profit for themselves, and forcing a person is still 100% profit whereas legal prostitution isn't.
As long as there is money to be made, people will find illegal ways to abuse the system.

[Streja]

streja, i have a hypothetical question for you (since i'm actively procrastinating and the best we have on offer today is discussing the ambassador to france's non-point statement...

IF trafficking could be eliminated, and women had other options to employment, would you accept a woman's active choice to exchange sexual services for remuneration? could it then be regarded as any other customer service business?

I already accept it, but I don't agree with it. I doubt that there are many women who would want to do it because it is their dream job.

I see it from principle. Women are not responsible for men's sexual desires and sexual fulfilment. Women should never have sex without being turned on, and women should never expect to get paid if they are turned on. Sex should be free and only happen when two or more people want to have it, not for financial gain.

[Streja]

My focus is not so much on the prostitutes, but on the buyers.

[*Guest*]

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Well, I know so many people who not necessarily love their jobs either, even if they are not prostitutes. Who knows how frustrated one can be as well?

[Streja]

What Streja said. Because its legal in Amsterdam for example its harder to control weather things are done in a legal way or if people are forced/sold into it. Scum always tries to find a way to maximize the profit for themselves, and forcing a person is still 100% profit whereas legal prostitution isn't.
As long as there is money to be made, people will find illegal ways to abuse the system.

I agree, and the demand is so big in those places that some areas have turned really bad. The demand leads to more women being needed to be sold, and thus they have to force someone.

If there was no real big demand the problem would be less.

I think Holland and Amsterdam are trying to do something about it now as well.

[Streja]

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Well, I know so many people who not necessarily love their jobs either, even if they are not prostitutes. Who knows how frustrated one can be as well?

Of course, but there is a difference between being tired and bored witha job and having dicks thrust into you 20-25 times a day. Do you know whata female body is like? There is no way you can work like that without having a really dry and sore vagina, thus you have to use lots of creams and such like. it's really bad to have sex when you're not turned on for a woman. It makes it dry and sore.

But to those men buying it does not matter if the prostitute wants it or not, he only wants to be able to masturbate inside her. She sees no sexual fulfilment in it, just money.

In my world you have sex because you are turned on, not because you need to pay rent.

[*Guest*]

Of course, but there is a difference between being tired and bored witha job and having dicks thrust into you 20-25 times a day. Do you know whata female body is like? There is no way you can work like that without having a really dry and sore vagina, thus you have to use lots of creams and such like. it's really bad to have sex when you're not turned on for a woman. It makes it dry and sore.

But to those men buying it does not matter if the prostitute wants it or not, he only wants to be able to masturbate inside her. She sees no sexual fulfilment in it, just money.

In my world you have sex because you are turned on, not because you need to pay rent.

Streja, I have no idea how it is like cause I don't have a vagina darling. What I do think is that society should also discuss with these sex professionals about these issues, sometimes I think that many people who have no idea about it want to decide about the future of other people. I do believe we need further discussions with as many people and as many sex professionals involved as possible to try to fully understand this issue and possibly may find viable solutions.

[Esiq]

I think Holland and Amsterdam are trying to do something about it now as well.

I think its all relative. Since we are the 'center' of Europe and a big part of our economy is the transport and distribution of goods through cargo ships in Rotterdam/Amsterdam or by air at Schiphol its almost a uphill battle. In the years the government is controlling prostitution on a legal way we still have to deal with Chinese people (for example) in cargo containers being smuggled in the country. In the years they are hunting down and closing down prostitution-rings, it immediately goes deeper underground and there is no way of controlling anything.

So yeah, 'we' are trying to do something about it, but its almost 20-30 years we are trying to do that and there is no win-win situation.