(edit title) Is daycare good for kids? Options

[*Guest*]

I know literally dozens of Swedish women (at least 40 in my wife's SWEA club) who live in the states, and none of them, ZERO, send their kids to day care. They choose to stay home, but have excellent playgroups and cultural activities.

These moms realise, (deep down for those who don't talk about it), that this would be impossible in Sweden. Those early ones are years that should be cherished. A 0 to 4 yr olds' ups/downs happiness, accomplishments, disapointments, fears, this is the magic that can not be traded in to an institutionalized day care employee who does not love your child, and you have abandoned your child to for 8-10 hours a day, 5 days a week.

The selfishness of feminists will leave a mark on an entire generation.

[*Guest*]

The selfishness of feminists will leave a mark on an entire generation.

What about all those men that choose to have a full time job rather than stay home and raise children?

[FR]

The selfishness of feminists will leave a mark on an entire generation.

It already has. I will add, however, that men have contributed because they wanted the extras that the wife's income would provide, so they were selfish too. Now society has been restructured in such a way that it is necessary for most families to have two incomes.

[Haz]

What about all those men that choose to have a full time job rather than stay home and raise children?

my answer to that is that, somebody needs to make money for the family and seeing as women are more biologically fit to raise children it is more logical that women should stay home. Although the cause of the current system i wouldn't blame the feminists for as much as bally would.

[*Guest*]

Although the cause of the current system i wouldn't blame the feminists for as much as bally would.

I wouldn't blame the feminists at all. As our eminently reasonable and well educated Katie A has pointed out, the 1950's stereotype nuclear family with a stay-at-home mother was an advertising construct. Women have been working in America for about as long as there has been an America. Concepts of child supervision have changed and family structures have changed. As societies have moved away from extended family groups and have fewer children (no older ones to watch the younger) and are more isolated from their community as a whole, day care has become the widespread solution. Instead of it being family or a neighbor group watching children, it's a paid stranger. So, in the early parts of the 20th century and before, wealthier women who didn't need to work also employed household help to watch the children and less wealthy women worked as household help, took in sewing or washing, and left the supervision of their children to others.

No point in discussing it with Bally, as he's obviously firmly entrenched in the idea. I'm curious as to what feminism has caused? The main things that feminism accomplished were making a wider range of types of employment available to women, making more education available to them, and decreasing the difference in pay scale between men and women.

[Usingmybrain]

I just had to join in... I tried not to... as this is a subject I could give a lecture about (actually I do at every opportunity) I have four grandchildren here in Sweden three came over here when they were between 4 - 5 and the last one was born here it is suffice to say the last one has been in daycare because Mom was in school learning Swedish and then (after a split up) had to go out to work is a pain in the butt she is defiante, already "tells" when she is disciplined, I will have is here favorite saying a please or a thank you never enters her mind without a reminder, I could go on but for your sakes I won't. I will end with this, I have raised three children, have a degree and ´run a company I have travelled and lived in many different countries, if parents feel they must have a new car or feel their children need a new toy rather than a warm loving home then perhaps they should rethink having children and just to slip into relationships, perhaps if love was the emphasis rather than possesion(s) more Swedes would actually make commitments to their partners, children and lives.

[*Guest*]

Usingmybrain: I'm curious, what type of a company do you run? It is in Sweden, the US?

[Jimmy]

My boy has been a few dagis' and after talking to friends with kids that were in dagis The conclusion is that most of the so called "teachers" are young kids 19-22 with a few old broilers thrown in for good measure.
When they let the kids out to play it is like an old western movie. The staff ( abetter word ) form a circle ( like a wagon train ) having their coffee while the kids ( indians ) go on the war path. There is hardly if any interaction with the kids.
The staff is predominantly female and the last dagis said they are trying to get males so they children will have some balance. I offered that if they need extra parents or adults ( perhaps bigger kid in myself ) yet they never called.
I believe there is a rule that if one parent is home the kids must be at home for the majority of the day Not sure on that one.
Although in some cases dagis is necessary in the majority of cases it is not It is just the done thing. :cry:

[Julie Ryman]

Hey Jimmy, how are things?

[Jimmy]

Fine lookiung forward to next Wednesday first pay day since end of November A cool 36 days straight pay day
Tonight going out for an all paid for dinner and drinks. No boy this weekend and one company are putting on their Christmas New Year party for a few of us.
The snow fortress was in dire need of repair. We fixed it a little on Wednesday but the snow now means the walls are going to be big. Snow ball fights a plenty.
Tomorrow work again 8am otherwise the same S2D2.
For a laugh the ex will not even sign for a Swedish passport
Yourself everything OK I hope
15minutes and I am out of here