(edit title) So Who Is Responsible For Sinking Korean Ship? Exception about Going When Deceptions Occur Options

[*Guest*]

Since TL has been so supportive about my claims regarding the CIA trying to get me in all kinds of ways, I shall continue to post threads which I am researching, and in this case writing an article about - i. e., the set up of North Korea for the sinking of the South Korean Navy vessel which only benefits Washington and its cronies.

They are responsible for the report, blaming North Korea for the sinking, though tastefully avoiding naming the 24 so-called experts, including ones from the USA, Australia, and Sweden, who were on it. One can only wonder if they also include ones from South Korea, Japan, Israel, and others. And are they all just government yes-men scientists?

Then the report details findings, leading to the supposition that Pyong-yang did it - bits were found which pointed to a torpedo that North Korea exports.

Of course, then the question is who bought them, and Israel has bought weapons from North Korea often enough that it recently reported on a shipment from there to Iran, via Thailand, for alleged Islamic terrorists, though one would want to know how it knew, and why it made such a big deal out of it.

The answer seems to be to give it an alibi for purchasing others, especially since one of its own submarines recently went through the Suez Canal, out into the Indian Ocean and beyond.

And the big winner of the tragedy is the war mongers in Washington, especially with Japan coming on board at the expense of Okinawa.

Remember the Maine, the Tonkin Gulf incidents, and the Pueblo.

More in the article I am writing.

[Baned]

Can you elaborate on how you think Washington benefits from this?

"But for now, one thing seems to be beyond reasonable doubt, the Cheonan was sunk by North Korea, and South Korea has the evidence to prove it." Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/asia_pacific/10130909.stm

"So how to punish North Korea without starting a war?

One expert suggests there are basically three options: Seoul could act unilaterally by cutting off all trade with the north, Seoul and Washington could take bilateral action by stepping up intelligence or naval cooperation. Lastly, the international community could act as a whole - possibly through the UN Security Council. Sanctions have worked so well in the past, haven't they?" Source: http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2010/05/...-s-korean-ship/

[*Guest*]

So Obama wants his own "dumb war" now - getting the North Korean problem solved by the Chinese getting own board!

It a kind of replay of what happened to the spy ship Pueblo back in January 1968 - what Washington's cowboys hoped North Korea would kick off by sinking the snoopers. Fortunately, North Korea didn't, merely capturing the ship, and crew, with only one fatality. Captain Bucher had not been able to either defend the ship, or to scuttle it quickly.

Washington's cowboys still wanted to shoot up the place in the hope that it would somehow salvage the unwinnable war in Vietnam, and prevent the other South East Asian states, falling to the communists, but better minds prevailed in the end, merely helping send LBJ permanently to the sidelines.

For more on this, see James BAmford's Body of Secrets, p. 240ff.

Now Washington has apparently arranged for its cronies to do what North Korea was unwilling to do back then, and the looney West is blindly going along with.

Obama has arranged it most cleverly and covertly, but still not cleverly enough.

[The Nine]

[quote name='Trowbridge H. Ford' date='26.May.2010, 05:59 AM' post='536356']
So Obama wants his own "dumb war" now - getting the North Korean problem solved by the Chinese getting own board!

It a kind of replay of what happened to the spy ship Pueblo back in January 1968 - what Washington's cowboys hoped North Korea would kick off by sinking the snoopers. Fortunately, North Korea didn't, merely capturing the ship, and crew, with only one fatality. Captain Bucher had not been able to either defend the ship, or to scuttle it quickly.

Washington's cowboys still wanted to shoot up the place in the hope that it would somehow salvage the unwinnable war in Vietnam, and prevent the other South East Asian states, falling to the communists, but better minds prevailed in the end, merely helping send LBJ permanently to the sidelines.

For more on this, see James BAmford's Body of Secrets, p. 240ff.

Now Washington has apparently arranged for its cronies to do what North Korea was unwilling to do back then, and the looney West is blindly going along with.

Obama has arranged it most cleverly and covertly, but still not cleverly enough.
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They are responsible for the report, blaming North Korea for the sinking, though tastefully avoiding naming the 24 so-called experts, including ones from the USA, Australia, and Sweden, who were on it. One can only wonder if they also include ones from South Korea, Japan, Israel, and others. And are they all just government yes-men scientists?
So you are suggesting the U.S slaughtered it's own highly {and expensively} trained people, and murdered foreign nationals from among it's friends, in order to 'frame' North Korea?

A question. If these 'experts' where on this boat what do the USA gain by killing them? Why not just sink a South Korean pleasure boat or ferry with a few American tourists on it. Why kill your own highly skilled military personel/scientists? Surely these are exactly the people you would then need if your plan was successful? Finally, surely the last thing Obama needs right now is another war. This doesn't add up Trowbridge.

[*Guest*]

This report says that the torpedo which sank the South Korean Navy vessel was of German manufacture - the country which supplies Israel with all its submarine needs, and indicates that Israel was deeply involved in the 'false flag' operation:

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6460FC20100507

Just more evidence of Washington's claims not adding up.

[Baned]

You all do realize that North and South Korea has a history of conflict, right? A few decades ago, South Koreans were taught that their northern counterparts weren't even human. This has changed with the hope of a unification. South Korean School children are now aspiring to be translators for the north.

I lived in S. Korea for a year before I arrived in Sweden. Every once in awhile, some old lady would be shot down for wandering just a few feet from her tourist group while on tour in North Korea. Saying they don't like each other is an understatement. Furthermore, South Korea has been previously pressured by the UN for an integration policy to eventually take on N. Korea, with countries providing help in this "merger". But even if that happened peacefully, it would drastically affect the S. Korean economy, likely affecting countries with close business relations with them.

Isn't the sinking now under UN investigation? Maybe you're concluding a conspiracy a little too early.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/26/world/as...ref=global-home

[Craptastical]

Something to note about the Reuters article Trow linked to...


That article is rather old and predates the actual report's findings.

Has the actual report been published anywhere? It would make for some interesting reading.

[The Nine]

It also suggests that any 'false flag' operation was North Korean. That is to say, the suspected use of a German made torpedo was an attempt by NK to deflect blame for the attack.
Let's face facts here, it isn't beyond the realm of reality to consider that North Korea has the ability to precure black market or grey market municians. I would think this scenario far more likely than the U.S deciding to sacrifice the lives of some of its top military people, {and those of it's allies} simply to frame North Korea.

[*Guest*]

For posters unwilling to go beyond when an article was written, and if the link to it is properly made, I shall quote the most relevant part of the Reuters article which was posted over two weeks ago and about six weeks after the sinking:

"The metallic debris and chemical residue appear consistent with a type of torpedo made in Germany, indicating the North may have been trying to disguise its involvement by avoiding arms made by allies China and Russia, Yonhap quoted the official as saying."

Of course, the finding indicated that Israel apparently should have been more careful about whose torpedoes its submarine was using, forcing the investigators then to change their story, and at the expense of this evidence, claiming that North Korea had used one of its own manufacture.

Talk about investigators, boobing and weaving!

[Craptastical]

The article says *nothing* about Israel. Where you're pulling Israel from is beyond me.

[*Guest*]

Posters who don't know how to google information, and want to learn more about Israel's submarine fleet - what has been completely supplied by Germany at discounted rates, and what investigators of the sinking
have avoided alluding to in any way for obvious reasons - should look at this link:

http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?id=1164...ctionid=3510205

Now for North Korea being Israel's greatest enemy because of its support of Muslims, and its calling into question Tel Aviv's similar but undeclared nuclear weapons, try googling it for yourself.

You will only become a real human by learing how to think for yourself as our lying governments and media are never going to help you out.

[Craptastical]

You will only become a real human by learing how to think for yourself as our lying governments and media are never going to help you out.

You mean to learn to think like you? Where's that CD player of yours today Trow? What ever happened to you leaving Sweden?

Taking lessons from you on how to think for ourselves includes a course on "Agree with everything Trow says, otherwise you're just another one of the sheeple". No thanks, I'll pass. You've proven time and time again that imitating your logic only leeds to making a fool of one's self.

[The Nine]

Posters who don't know how to google information, and want to learn more about Israel's submarine fleet - what has been completely supplied by Germany at discounted ra ... (show full quote)

Posters who don't know how to google information, and want to learn more about Israel's submarine fleet - what has been completely supplied by Germany at discounted rates, and what investigators of the sinking
have avoided alluding to in any way for obvious reasons - should look at this link:

http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?id=1164...ctionid=3510205

Now for North Korea being Israel's greatest enemy because of its support of Muslims, and its calling into question Tel Aviv's similar but undeclared nuclear weapons, try googling it for yourself.

You will only become a real human by learing how to think for yourself as our lying governments and media are never going to help you out. ... (hide full quote)

North Korea is practically bankrupt and on the verge of famine. Israel is smart enough to rise above any NK sabre rattling rethoric. North Korea might proclaim itself a friend of anyone who dislikes Israel but it's a bankrupt and starving country run by a few deluded old mad men. They are not in a position to 'support' anyone else with anything other than words.
As for Tel Aviv's undeclared nuclear weapons, its hardly news that Israel is a nuclear power, whether it has ver chosen to admit this or not. It's like insisting Morrisey should go public about being gay. Everyone already knows the truth so admitting it changes nothing.

North Korea is a failed state. It is run by a paranoid despot with little time to live. I think it far more likely that this incident is the product of the above, rather than some grand U.S military plan to do...what exactly?

[Craptastical]

North Korea is a failed state. It is run by a paranoid despot with little time to live. I think it far more likely that this incident is the product of the above, rather than ... (show full quote)

North Korea is a failed state. It is run by a paranoid despot with little time to live. I think it far more likely that this incident is the product of the above, rather than some grand U.S military plan to do...what exactly? ... (hide full quote)

I know, I know! I can't believe that nobody can see this... It's right in front of us!

In short, it's all about the US economy.

Let me explain... The US economy is currently experiencing an extremely fragile recovery, and the current administration thinks that the economy will tank, so they're trying to divert attention to North Korea so that when the economy does tank they can blame it on the expenses of war and not on fiscal policies etc. If you think about it, it's a brilliant political move by the Obama administration... but not brilliant enough because I was able to figure it out.

Everyone can use Google for themselves to find this information. Learn to think people!

Ugh, even trying to think like that makes me ill. Back to the regularly scheduled reality program.

[Nemesis]

Posters who don't know how to google information, and want to learn more about Israel's submarine fleet - what has been completely supplied by Germany at discounted ra ... (show full quote)

Posters who don't know how to google information, and want to learn more about Israel's submarine fleet - what has been completely supplied by Germany at discounted rates, and what investigators of the sinking
have avoided alluding to in any way for obvious reasons - should look at this link:

http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?id=1164...ctionid=3510205

Now for North Korea being Israel's greatest enemy because of its support of Muslims, and its calling into question Tel Aviv's similar but undeclared nuclear weapons, try googling it for yourself.

You will only become a real human by learing how to think for yourself as our lying governments and media are never going to help you out. ... (hide full quote)

Every excuse you can think of to directly or indirectly blame a jew for everything in the world.

Israel is nothing to do with this.

No jews are involved.

No muslims are involved.

The only people involved are Korean, north and south.