(edit title) Is Sweden an Apartheid State? De Facto and De jure any difference? Options

[Schomberg]

I agree that Sweden is an extremely segregated country, however, to say that it is due to racism is an oversimplification.Sweden is simply not a meritocracy. Of course merit a ... (show full quote)

I agree that Sweden is an extremely segregated country, however, to say that it is due to racism is an oversimplification.
Sweden is simply not a meritocracy. Of course merit and qualifications count, but unless you have the right connections you will never be able to compete truly. Combine this with the Swedish conformity and fear of change and you get a segregated society.
It is not discrimination based on skin colour or nationality; it is discrimination based on who you went to school with, which area you grew up, which university you attended, etc. It is a matter of class. ... (hide full quote)

so...basically, you're saying..it's like everywhere else? immigrants are always competing for low skilled work. we cant speak the language so unless you have a very particular skill, you're going to be looking for jobs which are usually given to people connected to the particular company. either through family or friends. any place i worked for at home who had openings just told the factory workers and they always filled the job that way.

Why do you come here of you expect (and want!) a war?And what right do you have to drag sweden and swedes in to your war, when they let you come here?And what will i lose? ... (show full quote)

Why do you come here of you expect (and want!) a war?
And what right do you have to drag sweden and swedes in to your war, when they let you come here?
And what will i lose? My country? My culture? My rights? If any of these, why do you want to take if from me? ... (hide full quote)

dude, trust me - none of us want your country, your rights or your culture lol! don't get so worked up over a couple of posts on the internet.

[Blackman_for_Blondes]

You cannot let in the level of immigrants in Sweden and many who know nothing about western cultures and expect no back kick from the local population...the BNP is on the rise in the UK and they will probably do very well, and older Jamaicans will even vote for them in London..there is too much immigration in the whole of europe, we must first take care of the people that are here!!

[dave.smith]

Comparing Sweden to an apartheid system is ridiculous on so many levels. Krig, I've enjoyed your posts in the past, but this one just doesn't cut the mustard unfortunately. To counter your points:

1. Immigrants are not denied any of the rights that apartheid victims were

2. There is nothing stopping immigrants from succeeding except not understanding the system well enough to play it.

To further illustrate this, let's take me:

A. Before coming to Sweden, I:

1. Made lots of good friends over the internet, holidayed with many of them

2. Experienced the beautiful nature in Sweden as well as the relaxed, rural lifestyle of the Swedish countryside,

3. Went on fantastic camping trips

4. Made many more friends and contacts

5. bought a farm and planned my move quite carefully, but never doubted I wanted to move to that beautiful country.

B. Since coming to Sweden, I have:

1. Started a company now with millions of kronor, doing business throughout the EU

2. Made lots of contacts and friends, immigrants and Swedes alike

3. Started dating a very beautiful Swedish girl

4. Taken many overseas trips frequently

5. Enjoyed my hobbies and social life, which is much better than it was in the UK

In the future, I plan to:

1. Buy property in Spain, where we holiday often

2. Expand my business

3. Get married and have kids

4. Buy a Bugatti or Ferrari

5. Once the kids have finished primary school in Sweden, send them to a public school in Britain and, split my years 6 months/ 6 months between a vinyard in the south of France and Småland, Sweden

[byke]

I agree that there is a sense of double standards and a 2 tier system of elitism rampant in sweden, but believe this is across many different spectrums not only in regards to "immigrant" status (although it does apply to the larger majority).

[Schomberg]

1. Started a company now with millions of kronor, doing business throughout the EU

giveus a job...

[dave.smith]

Ha ha, sure

If you know any .NET, OS Grid, Python, Blender, please do send me your CV - also need to be willing to relocate to Småland in southern Sweden

We also have a practical exam that has been set up to test your knowledge of OS Grid (installing, customizing, compiling, usage) as this is quite an important part of our business and we have had too many people that have some knowledge but really not deep enough to be useful who have applied.

[Schomberg]

mate, i make a mean coffee...

[dave.smith]

Coffee making skills may actually be more useful than some of the programmers we have at the moment - they specialize in fika breaks and football table

[dave.smith]

Anyway, the point is that if an immigrant with hardly any Swedish skills can achieve what I have, does it not prove that it is possible to "make it" in Sweden?

[Schomberg]

nope, thats true. the difference being that you immersed yourself in the swedish language/life/culture, but the majority of us don't. besides the few I know that own bars, the other brits i know who have done well have intergrated well into the society here. if you don't do that, then you better get comfortable with doing low skilled work for low skilled paid. and get a missus with good job prospects

[byke]

Anyway, the point is that if an immigrant with hardly any Swedish skills can achieve what I have, does it not prove that it is possible to "make it" in Sweden?

Is it a question of "making it" or simply a question about perceived prejudice?
Technically I could claim to have "made it" also ... but it doesn't mean that the original question doesn't hold merit.

[Rick Methven]

Coffee making skills may actually be more useful than some of the programmers we have at the moment - they specialize in fika breaks and football table

About 20 years ago I had a partnership with a company that was developing In flight entertainment software. There was one programmer who was absolutely brilliant but could not speak to anybody unless he had his hands on the computer keyboard and had to be constantly fed coke, cakes and computer games to keep him working

[just a question]

There is no job. Therefore the party is over.
Sweden is a country in crisis. In a country in crisis the worst affected are the immigrants.
When everything is ok and the money runs everybody accept and welcome immigrants.
When there are no jobs the immigrants are the ones stealing jobs and the social benefits.
Therefore everybody becomes xenophobic.

Human beings are so predictable that they stink.
It's time to come back home. Either that or go to another country.

[dave.smith]

About 20 years ago I had a partnership with a company that was developing In flight entertainment software. There was one programmer who was absolutely brilliant but could not ... (show full quote)

About 20 years ago I had a partnership with a company that was developing In flight entertainment software. There was one programmer who was absolutely brilliant but could not speak to anybody unless he had his hands on the computer keyboard and had to be constantly fed coke, cakes and computer games to keep him working ... (hide full quote)

there are some funny characters in the IT world... one of my current guys is actually a bit similar to that... he sits with headphones on while he is coding, drinking coke, just saying "Så...så...så...så" over and over ... (every few minutes or every 30 minutes or so, the interval depends). It used to be annoying, but he is just so good that everyone has to deal with it, because he is too valuable to piss off.

[Lt. Gonville Bromhead]

Sweden an apartheid system???

FFS, maybe if some people spent less time finding and inventing perceived injustices and more time cracking on finding work, they'd have a happier life.

Surprise surprise, a country which middle class consists of 90% white people, has a white collar industry made up of 90% white people.

As an aside...and as an immigrant myself, if it's so bad in Sweden, we are all welcome to return home.