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Deserter Hemler Helped Deepest Plot to Sink USSR

Kept Alive False Claims Soviets Behind Hårsfjärden

post 23.Jul.2012, 09:20 AM
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Deserter David Hemler Helped 'False Flag' Plot To Sink Soviets At Sweden's Expense

Trowbridge H. Ford

When Social Democrat leaderr Olof Palme surprisingly regained power in the 1982 fall partliamentary elections, the Reagan administration in Washington immediattely tested his anti-communist feeling by having US and NATO submarines flood Swedish waterrsasround its naval base at Muskö to see how it would react, a secret plan to check Swedish anti--submarine warfare capability (Operation NOTVART) which the new statsminister had not been informed of. He ha
d been portrayed in Anatoliy Golitsyn's New Lies for Old, a work by the famous double agent who the CIA and MI6 not only encouraged but also endorsed (See Editors' Foreword) about the alleged agent of influence who had used his subversive intentions to gain power under false pretences (p. 55ff, esp. p. 288), a suspicion which was long passed time to deterrmine the truth of. Palme was on the Reagan administration's watch list because of his continuing support of national liberation movements in Central America and Africa, and because of his support of a Nordic Nuclear Weapons Free Zone. Despite the most serious concerns about Palme's trustworthiness, the statsminister came through the naval ordeal in flying colors

Palme went along with the set-up, also known as the Hårsfjärden incident because of where it occurred, as if nothing was amiss. While it was still going on, Vice Admiral Per Rudberg, Chief of Sweden's Navy, appointed a service committee to determine what had actually happened, and come up with measures to make sure it didn't happen again. Two days later on October 15th, the Palme government appointed a Parliamnetary Commission under the leadership of Minister of Defence and former Foreign Affairs Minister Sven Anderson, and including leading politicians across the polittican spectrum to investigate the incident. To assist its inquiry, Vice Admiral Bro Stefenson, the Navy's Chief of Staff, and Sven Hellman of the Ministry of Defence were appointed as experts. [/size]General Lennat Ljung, the Swedish Commander-in-Chief, announced their creation in most alarmiung terms: "The investigation of the sea-floor continues. The barricades are still deployed. There has definately been one submarine, possibly several. No indication of nationality. Large amount of force used, even mines, which has never happened. Tough methods. I don't know any other country that has done this in peace-time." (Quoted from May 1983 notes that Palme's Secretary of State Ulf Larsson took at high-level meetings.)[/size]

In December 1982, the naval inquiry, headed by Swedish Rear Adminal Gunnar Grandin, reported to the Navy Chief. It concluded that the Soviet bloc seemed to be responsible for it, thanks apparently to NATO's continuing checking of Sweden's national security reliability in light of Moscow's accidentally beaching one of its Whisky submarines on the rocks off the Swedish base at Karlskrona the year before Palme returned to office. (For more, see Chris Mosey, Cruel Awakening: Sweden and the Killing of Olof Palme, pp. 147-8.) The Grandin report put it this way: "When it comes to nationality of the submarines, we know that the submarine incidnet in Karlskrona was Soviet. A number of optical, hydrophonic and passive radar indications point, even in this case to submarines from the WTO ( Warsaw Treaty Organization). Some indications of received radar signals cannot exclude that submarines of other nationality (NATO) have been in the area outside where the incidents have occurred. The reason for this has probably been to follow the acitivity." (CM/Grandin, appendix 2, 'Händelseförloppet' Bilaga 2 i 'Granskning av ubåtsjaktverksamheten mot bakgrund av händelserna I Stockholms skärgård' )

April 26, 1983, the Parliamentary Commission reported, making a stronger case against the WTO, particularly the USSR. Six submarines had been involved, three of them midget ones, and given what had happened before, especially the 1981 incident, it concluded that they must be Soviet ones. "On this point the Commission confirms," it admitted, "that neither the sea floor investigations nor any other investigation has yielded proof in the form of objects found or otherwie which could bind a certain state to the violations." ( SOU (1983) 13,Att möta ubåtshotet - Ubåtskrängar och svensk säkerhetspolitik. Betäankande från ubåtsskyddscommissionen. Stockholm, 1983, p. 81) Without any smoking guns, the Commission still concluded its narrative of what seemed to have been going on by pointing to the Soviet bloc.

The Commission report was too wishy-washy for its Chairman, Defence Minister Sven Anderson, who added falsely in a press conference the same day that a midget sub that escaped to the Soviet bloc on October ll may have been damaged. To bolster any fingers pointed toward Moscow, the Palme goverrment sent a protest to the USSR, stating that such intrusions were serious crimes against international law, adding that they were "...deliberate and illegal atttempts to investigate Swedish territorial waters. These activitie must be strongly condemded." (Svenska Dagbladet, April 27, 1983) Palme made the protest public knowledge by talking about its content, and delivery at a press conference.

Stockholm recalled its ambassador to Moscow for consultation to underline its disapproval of what the Soviets were apparently doing.

To keep the pressure on Moscow, certain suspicious submarine events occurred - thought to be WTO ones at the time, but which turned out later to either NATO ones or simple inventions. A month before the Commission reported, there were alarms at both naval bases at Karlskrona and Muskö that unknown subs were in surrounding territorial waters, but the hunts from nothing. Then the day after it reported, there was a Norwegian hunt for an alleged submarine in Hardangerfjord where depth charges and anti-submariine rockets were used to sink it or force it to the surface, but none was discovered. Then there was a submarine scare off Sundsvall the next day. Two days later, an unknown sub was spotted in a fjord north of Göteborg on Sweden's west coast. The next day one was sighted south of that city but when it was forced to surface, it turned out to be West German.

While no Soviet bloc subs were found, the alarms created increasing, unprecedented anti-Soviet sentiment among the population.
It was still surprising, despire the politicised panic over the intrusions, that the government finally reacted to the clamor, and with more Defence Staff justification of it by sending another most caustic note, almost a provocation for war, to Moscow on October 10th. Acoustic evidence, visual observations, signal intelligence aka sigint, and physical examination of the sea floor where the submarine activity was most intense all pointed to vessels of the Warsaw Pact being responsible.

Claiming that it was just summarizing what the Parliamentary Commission had concluded, it filed in its blanks completely at Moscow's expense.
For example, regarding visual sightings, it declared: "All observations from the time of the Hårsfjården incident lead us to the conclusion that the submarines belong to the Warsaw Pact." (SOU 1995.Ubåtsfrågan, 1981-1994, Stockholm, 1995, p. 137)

About two sonar findings, it added: "The conclusion is that in both these cases we are dealing with Warsaw Pact submarines. There it is possible to identify various sounds - i. e., identify the number of propellers." (Ibid.)

"Particular ciecumstrances," it explained about sigint, "make it possible to define even a single ship. By taking the bearing of the signal, one can determine the position of a sender. It is also possible to get important information by listening to radio traffic between different ships or between a ship and its base." (Ibid., p. 138)

"The existence of the prints on the sea-floor," it added, "shows that the intruding submarines belong to the Warsaw Pact."

While Moscow had responded to the first note by declaring it an "unfriendly action", It said nothing about the second one, though it can hardly be doubted that it considered it little short of a declaration of war.

The real trouble for Sweden was that it was essentially untrue, as later inquiries after the Cold War ended showed. More important, in 1988, Pär Kettis, Director General of Sweden's National Defence Radio Establishment aka FRA reported that it had no signal information about the Hårsfjården incident, so where did the Defence Staff get its sigint claims from? Commander Björn Eklink, skipper of the spy ship Orion who was later removed from its command because of his gung-ho attitude about getting the Soviets, claimed that he was not surprised by the admission because he had never been informed that FRA had anything incriminating Moscow. In short, it seemed that the Palme government had just endorsed leader-of-the-opposition and Parliamentary Commission member Carl Bildt's statement about the incidents:"I cannot think about anything in modern times that has been more serious." he concluded: "There is no doubt, (but we) cannot reveal everything." ("Rapport," STV2. April 26, 1983)

The only reason why Sweden was not directly punished for its provocation is because the United States, in deep trouble of its own then, adopted Sweden's cause as its own. The Reagan administration immediately had its foreign policy thrown into the greatest disarray by the revolution in Grenada which overthrew Maurice Bishop's government, and then the killing of those 346 American servicemen, mostly Marines, in Lebanon four days later. Washington would have been in better shape if the Presndet had been able to reconstruct his government when National Secuirty Advisor William Clark was obliged to go. (For more, see Lou Cannon, President Reagan, p. 372ff.)

Instead of getting personnel changes which were in favor of better relations with Moscow, the President was stuck with one which wanted to stick it to the Soviets, explaining while the difficulties in Stockholm became opportunities for the new team.
The opportunities that Sweden provided for getting rid of the USSR some way would not last long - as Washington, despite its efforts to maintain that Moscow was in an aggressive, war-starting mood - had to be concerned that the truth about Hårsfjärden would start to leak out, especially since the Social Democrats, especially Palme, had not been duly informed about what the Defence Staff was falsely claiming.

Not all journalists accepted the official line. Anders Hasselbohm was writing Ubåtshotet - En kritish gtanskning av Härsfjårds-incidenten och ubåtsskyddskommissionens rapport which would soon be published in Stockholm by Prisma. Hasselbohm was getting disclosures, especially Norwegian acoustic and other visual evidence, by NATO officers about individual submarines in the hunt which were known to be Western ones - what greatly undermined the Parliamentary Commission report, and completely gutted the note to Moscow.

The biggest problem for Washington with these claims was that the Norwegian Commander-in-Chief, General Sven Hauge who was in Stockholm at the time of the incident, and had lent Stockholm its most advanced hydrophone capability in the hope of catching the Soviets red-handed, making intrusions into Swedish waters three weeks before (Operation NOTVARP), completely changed his tune after he heard the tapes - what America's National Secuirty Agency (NSA) got wind of. They confirmed what the leakers were claiming about NATO submarines - what the US Navy even confirmed after the Cold War was long over, and it was time to acknowledge the efforts of those involved. The giving of the Navy Unit Commendation (NUC) to the Cavalla, SSN-684, and the Meritorious Unit Commendation (MUC) to the Bergall, SSN-667, Guitarro, SSN- 665, Aspro, SSN-661, Groton, SSN-694, and Puffer-SSN-652, along with the midget submarine Turtle, DSV 3, showed that they were involved in some fashion in the incident. (Sherry Sontag and Christopher Drew, Blind Man's Bluff: The Untold Story of American Submarine Espionage, Appendix C, pp. 424-5, and p. 433)

To defuse the Hauge-Hasselbohm ticking bomb - what would ruin new NSA Robert 'Bud' McFarlane's 'false flag' operation to destroy the USSR in a non-nuclear war - Washington had to inform Stockholm that the Soviets were solely responsible for the Hårsfjäarden incident in a most convincing way. One would expect the National Undewater Reconnaissance Office (NURO) - the agency that DCI Richard Helms had created when Nixon became President to keep track of all the secrets that the Navy was collecting - but it had not been informed by Captain James Bradley's Office of Undersea Warfare (OUW) of the intrusions of Swedish waters, so getting.the NURO involved would just cause more problems. The OUW, while well informed about such secrets, was too well organized, and widespread for any deceptive mission succeeding without some kind of damaging blowback. (For more about it, see ibid., p. 117ff.) Besides, allegedly ratting on a mission that it was most involved in would be most suspect to start with.

So NSA decided to do it. Now its director was Air Force General Lincholn D. Faurer who had had a long career of carrying out its survellance missions. "During the 1970s," James Bamford wrote in Body of Secrets, "Faurer served variously as director of intelligence for the Southern Command, Air Force deputy assistant Chief of Staff fror Intelligence, vice director for production at the Defense Intelligence Agency, director of intelligence at the U.S. European Command, and deputy chairman of the NATO MIlitary Committee." (p. 387) Faurer was known for his can-do attitude, and his obsession about secrecy while the agency was undergoing its largest expansion in history. "Unlike Inman (his predecessor)," Bamford added, "Faurer was determined to keep out of the spotlight; he began rebuilding the agency's wall of anonymity."

To make up for the treachery that analyists William H. Martin and Bernon F.Mitchell committed by defecting to Moscow a quarter century before, Faurer apparently had David Helmer defect to Sweden on February 10, 1984, much like Lee Harvey Oswald had done when he went to the USSR, hunting for Soviet leaders. Hemler had volunteered for the Air Force, and had done well enough to become a member of its elite eavesdropping agency, the 6913 Electronic Secuirity Squadron, stationed in Augsburg, Germany. General Faurer had become most involved in the unit's activity while serving in various Air Force intelligence capacities in Eiurope, and was looking for defectors to make up for NSA's increasingly limited human spying. When Faurer was preparing to retire early, he complained about the need of still more agents, stating that the role of computers in its operations had almost doubled since those earlier defections. (Bamofrd, p. 388)

While Hembler recently explained that his alleged desertion was caused by West Gerrmany's adoption of the installation of cruise missiles, the defection to Sweden was intended to prevent a nuclear conclusion to the Cold War, only a non-nuclear one which would lead to its capitulation was acceptable, as Joseph Nye had recommended in his Nuclear Ethics. Hemler's disclosures convinced Palme that the Defence Stall's claims about the 1982 incident were accurate, causing him to dismiss anything or anyone who claimed otherwise. When Foreign Ministerr Lennart Bodström claimed the following year at a dinner attended by journalists who had not taken Hasselbohm's claims seriously that there had been apparently no intrusions, as its Navy claimed, of Swedish waters, he was saciked by the statsminister. (Mosey, p. 151)

The most disturbing event that occurred while Hemler was finding employment with the Swedish government, probably with either FRA or Säpo, was the murder of TV reporter for the Rapport program Maureen 'Cats' Falck and her associate Lena Gräns after they had dinner in a south Stockholm restaurant in Novmeber 1984, They were investigating the Iran-Contra shipment of arms and money to Tehran and central America, a process in which Swedish arms, especially from Bofors, were involved, and East Germany, particularly the port of Rostock, was the center of. It was the network that Ted 'Blond Ghost' Shackley had been assigned by Reagan to put together from Hamburg to help gain the release of American hosatages held by Iran. The reporters were apparently poisoned at the dinner, and their bodies were in a car which was driven into Stockholm's Hammerby Canal - which were discovered the following May.

While attempts to get to the bottom of her claim that they were on to 'something big' - what has proven fruitless despite attempts to prove that East Germany's Stasi killed them, as most of their research has disappeared - little attempt has been made, as the Russ Limbaugh's Executive Intelligence Review magazine noted in 1997, to determine what they meant when they claimed "...something which was going to happed in 1986." While, in retrospect, people predictably sited the Palme assassination, and it was, but not in the way they thought. When they were murdered, the plan still just called for some 'false flag' incident, like what happened in October 1982, and its exploitation..The delay was needed to get all the men, particularly the double agents in Operation Courtship, and materiel, especially a Keyhole radar satellite, in place to pull it off. It seems that the reporters got wind of the mission somehow, and were asking around about it.

It is possible that they learned of it from Hemler, but it is just as likely that they learned of it from CIA agents like Rodney 'Rod' Carlson or even Rick Ames himself. They were in the process of putting together the agents who were to catch the Soviets flat-footed over some surprise. Just when Hemler was defecting to Sweden, Ames, whose career crashing, was given the top job in Carlson's Counter Intelligence Group, head of its Soviet branch. (For more, see David Wise's Nightmover, p. 94ff.) It was while Ames was investigating what the moles in Soviet intelligence were doing for Operation Courtship that he decided to become a spy for Moscow, and word of the 'false flag' operation leaked increasingly to treacherous members of Sweden's military, thanks to the Agency's newest claim that Palme was in the process of pulling off a coup himself.

[size="2"]The assassination of the statsminister was now the first 'false flag' operation, making it look like Soviet spy Stig Bergling had done it while on compassionate leave to get married, the second would be Navy Secretary John Lehman, Jr.'s attack submarines sinking all the Soviet boomers which went on station because of the surprise in Stockholm, and NATO's Anchor Express Exercise being dragooned into taking out the Soviet forces around the bases and in the air over the Kola Peninsula.

Palme had become the target after he most belatedly learned of the plotting by the Anglo-Americans when they tried to slip those 80 HAWK missiles through Sweden on Novewmber 17, 1985 on their way to Iran, but stopping them just increased the risks of President Reagan being impeached and removed from office because of his illegal findings.

Palme even removed the gung-ho Björn Elkind from command of the most important spy ship Orion in the Baltic, as Britain's HMS Challenger was not available, but plans had moved by then far beyond any simple change stopping the juggernaut.

Of course, Hemler survived the fiasco, as no one even wanted to acknowledge his existence, much less what he had helped happen. It was only now that it is starting to leak out, after 28 years, but it doesn't seem that much more will be heard about the deserter/defector, much less why.
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post 23.Jul.2012, 09:45 AM
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Could you kindly provide a single paragraph summary ?

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post 23.Jul.2012, 10:09 AM
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In testing Olof Palme's trustworthiness, Washington staged a false attack around Hårsfjäden in early October 1982 in the hope that he would not take it seriously, but when he did - the Swedish Navy damaging a midget sub and its mother ship somewhat, and Stockholm sent Moscow a most provocative note about it Washington was most afraid that its provocation would leak out - what was intended to set the groundwork for ending the Cold War with the Soviets without a nuclear one. To keep the 'false flag' mission alive, the NSA sent Air Force spook David Hemler as an apparent deserter to Sweden in the hope that it would believe his claims that the USSR was truly behind it, and it did until Iran-Contra wanted to take further advantage of Palme by shipping more illegal arms through Sweden to Iran. When Palme stopped it, he became the target of the on-going mission rather than the country itself
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post 23.Jul.2012, 12:57 PM
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QUOTE (PDX @ 23.Jul.2012, 09:45 AM) *
Could you kindly provide a single paragraph summary ?. ~~~PDX~~~

Trow's tripe.

Will that suffice??
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post 24.Jul.2012, 06:42 AM
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It's right here, tsarina.

The only correction of it I have learned since I posted it is that the Executive Intelligence Review is owned by Lyndon LaRouche, not Limbaugh.

She's the blogger who has gone on endlessly about Hemler being some communist spy, especially the Stasi's, who came here to do Moscow's business. blink.gif

She apparently doesn't realize that if the KGB or the Stasi ever got their hands on him, he would have been imprisoned or more likely shot.
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post 24.Jul.2012, 08:39 AM
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You mean he wasn't like any other of the 100s of USA deserters every year and this guy who had practically no experience and was still wet behind the ears was key?

Any real substantiated evidence?
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post 24.Jul.2012, 08:53 AM
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So what You are saying is that this is not really your own work then? rolleyes.gif

This poor man has been in hiding for 28 years after deserting from the Air Force, he was in the top 8 of the most wanted by the US Air Force!, he now has a wife and children in Swede, hasn't seen his own family let alone talk with them for 28 years, they thought he was dead... and now he is living with the possibility of being deported, especially since he obtained his original entry to Sweden by fraudulent means.

Now, You publish your drivel in a number of forums, not just here!, saying he was a spy all along, with absolutely no proof whatsoever... wouldn't that add to the number of reasons to throw him out of the country? It certainly wouldn't help His case to stay!

Did You even give Him chance to comment? Have You contacted His lawyer, Emma Persson at Borgström och Bodström advokatbyrå., since he is not currently doing public speaking, for comment?
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post 24.Jul.2012, 09:28 AM
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As I quite clearly indicated, David Hemler was like Lee Harvey Oswald, and many other soldiers, still 'wet behind the ears,' who were sent off to the Soviet bloc on all kinds of missions because the CIA did not have the technical systems to do the job - what it later developed the capability to do.

Victor Marchetti disclosed in his The CIA and the Cult of Intelligence that ONI (Office of Naval Intelligence) had a "..program which involved three dozen, maybe forty young men who were made to appear disenchanted, poor, American youths who had become turned off and wanted to see what communism was all about." (Quoted from Noel Tywman's Bloody Treason, p. 330.)

When it came time to set up the Soviets for destruction at Sweden's expense, the CIA did not have the capability to do the same in Sweden, so the Air Force was obliged to come up with Hemler who is depicted in just the same way, as the patsy in the JFK assassination.

In short, there were all kinds of false deserters/defectors like Oswald and Hemler but the crappy American government doesn't have the guts to admit the truth when the shit hits the fan, and they have to be disposed of or forgotten about. blink.gif

P. s. Regarding Yorkshireman's latest drivel, it is certainly my own work but I was given valuable assistance in its preparation which I am not at liberty to divulge, and I wouldn't touch anything connected to Thomas Bodström with a ten-foot pole. When he was Justice Minister, he avoided doing anything in helping solve the Palme murder, and I know it as a fact.
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post 24.Jul.2012, 09:47 AM
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QUOTE (Trowbridge H. Ford @ 24.Jul.2012, 08:28 AM) *
When it came time to set up the Soviets for destruction at Sweden's expense, the CIA did not have the capability to do the same in Sweden, so the Air Force was obliged to ... (show full quote)

And where is Your proof for this with regards Hemler? Or is it just pure speculation on your part?

For the 1st time with regards one of your stories, we have here in Sweden the subject, alive and kicking, surely such a well respected renowned author, professor with contacts in Säpo, could at least get a few questions and answers from Hemler?

As for similarities between Hemler and Oswald! Jeez... rolleyes.gif the BIG difference is that Oswald was arrested quickly and shouted loudly he was a patsy ... yet Hemler hid for 28 years, they would have been able to extract him quietly and he could have lived a patriotic life in the good 'ol US of A ...No one, not even Hemler, has claimed to be a patsy ... in fact, if he did it would probably be very positive for his case to stay in Sweden, since he would face horrid punishment in the US, which is a good reason for not deporting.

Trow, the cold war ended at the same time You retired, but You haven't got with the program sad.gif ...Yes! there are conspiracies today, yes they involve governments ... but sooner or later You may realise they are more steered by business interests, criminal interests, resources and money ... not the old political ideologies.
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post 24.Jul.2012, 10:02 AM
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The difference between Oswald and Hemler is not in who they were, and what they were involved in, but the outcome of the mission they were assisting.

Oswald was set up as JFK's assassin - once the double agent returned to Texas, and could not be rapidly hynoytized by Harvey's people in New Orleans to do the job - what Harvey arranged through Mafia-connected Jack Ruby to do on the spot. And when John Connally was shot too - the plan to blame it on Castro, and arrange the end of his regime could not go ahead - the Texas Governor was vowing to get those who had really double-crossed him, so Ruby had to simply dispose of Oswald himself. End of plot.

Hemler was just forgotten about, once the plot to end the USSR was to be triggered by Palme's assassination, but plan to blame it on Moscow could not be arranged because Stig Bergling did not flee when he had the chance to do so. There was no plan to blame the shooting on the American deserter. End of plot.
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post 24.Jul.2012, 11:04 AM
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So its purely you own work, with secret unknown assistance. So basically you have no proof or evidence of ANYTHING you wrote?
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post 24.Jul.2012, 11:26 AM
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Just more incredible garbage from you, Skogsbo, indicating that you have not even glanced at the article, as it is one of the most documented ones I have ever written.

It has at least 25 references, and more stuff that is based upon them or so detailed that it can be proved elsewhere.

The basic thing I did with all the help I received is to point it in another direction, and hold Swedish military
officials responsible, rather than elected politicians.

You are just a most unhelpful spook, attempting to cover up for the Swedes, Americans, and Brits responsible for this most reckless, unnecessary fiasco. rolleyes.gif
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post 24.Jul.2012, 12:14 PM
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QUOTE (Trowbridge H. Ford @ 24.Jul.2012, 09:02 AM) *
Hemler was just forgotten about, once the plot to end the USSR was to be triggered by Palme's assassination, but plan to blame it on Moscow could not be arranged because S ... (show full quote)

Not end of plot. Because you have not provided proof there was a plot in the 1st place.

A rational thinker would say ... if I wanted to believe that Hemler was forgotten, one would not find His picture in a public forum as one of the top 8 most wanted people by the Air Force ... for 28 years!

As I said earlier, here is a chance for You to shine Trow ... Hemler is here in Sweden, you should easily be able to to get some kind comment from His lawyer (name and company posted earlier) ... especially since Your contacts with Säpo should be able to help ... just to get them to comment on this story?

...or are you worried that they also have chance, since they are in Sweden, that they take legal actions against You? Would Your proof, that we havent seen, stand-up in a court of law?
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post 24.Jul.2012, 01:01 PM
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Of course, there was a plot against the Palme government - some of the military claiming that the statsminister had not been vigorous enough in repelling Soviet submarine intrusions, letting a damaged one escape to the East during the Hårsfjärden incident, and the statsminister allegedly planning to sell out the
country's independence in April 1986 when he had a scheduled meeting with Gorbachev when, in fact, Palme had done more than the rebels had expected.

Of course, the Air Force had to keep complaining about Hemler's absence - what everyone, but those in the know knew, suspected meant that he had gone off to join the communists.

Not going to waste my time talking to Hemler's lawyers, as they will only deny the 'false flag' mission.

Have long been ready to test my black conspiracy theory about the plot which assassinated Palme.
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post 24.Jul.2012, 02:43 PM
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QUOTE (Trowbridge H. Ford @ 24.Jul.2012, 12:01 PM) *
Of course, there was a plot against the Palme government - some of the military claiming that the statsminister had not been vigorous enough in repelling Soviet submarine intr ... (show full quote)

Again! You try to divert attention away onto another track... Let's stick to the Hemler question.

QUOTE (Trowbridge H. Ford @ 24.Jul.2012, 12:01 PM) *
Of course, the Air Force had to keep complaining about Hemler's absence - what everyone, but those in the know knew, suspected meant that he had gone off to join the communists.

You claimed he was forgotten!, which was it Trow ... forgotten about or highlighted (complaining)?

And let's be honest here joining communists is your made up theory. We are all well aware of those times, and it is clear that whenever either side got a defector they highly publicised their victories. It was clear from the very start that he did not defect, since the Russians didn't display him, he disappeared, deserted! Even his family thought he was dead.
Sorry Trow, it's utter rubbish.

QUOTE (Trowbridge H. Ford @ 24.Jul.2012, 12:01 PM) *
Not going to waste my time talking to Hemler's lawyers, as they will only deny the 'false flag' mission.

Of-course ... that is the defence for all Paranoid Conspiracy Theorists. If it is true, they would deny it, if it isn't true they of-course deny it ... it wouldn't make any difference to You since rational thinking does not apply. And the risk is they provide real evidence that your story is total fabrication, let alone other possible actions!

Cold War is over ...
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